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In reply to the discussion: Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder [View all]NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)149. I have way too much regular work to do. That's not very high on my list of priorities.
And I respect and like you far to much to carry this one, CTyankee.
I stand by my skepticism of studies of this type and am under no obligation to follow up with hours and hours of reading.
Besides, while your suggestion would be a terrific way to expose any flaws in the study, most people here defending the study would find some other distraction from the points I make, call me a liar or NRA shill, etc.
So it would really be a waste of time.
This week I'm trying to comprehend new legislation regarding a Renewable Market Adjusting Tariff program that might help some local Native Americans build solar energy systems and tie the power to the grid.
Two very long documents that look like this:
6.2.2. Buyer may, at its sole cost, furnish and install one Check Meter at the interconnection associated
with the Facility at a location provided by Seller that is compliant with Buyers electric service requirements.
The Check Meter must be interconnected with Buyers communication network to permit (a) periodic,
remote collection of revenue quality meter data, and (b) back-up real time transmission of operating-quality
meter data through the telemetering system. In the event that Buyer elects to install a Check Meter, Buyer
may compare the Check Meter data to the CAISO meter data. If the deviation between the CAISO meter data
and the Check Meter data for any comparison is greater than 0.3%, Buyer may provide Notice to Seller of such
deviation and the Parties shall mutually arrange for a meter check or recertification of the Check Meter or
CAISO meter, as applicable. Each Party shall bear its own costs for any meter check or recertification.
Testing procedures and standards for the Check Meter will be the same as for a comparable Buyer-owned meter.
Seller shall have the right to have representatives present during all such tests. The Check Meter, if Buyer elects
to install a Check Meter, is intended to be used for back-up purposes in the event of a failure or other malfunction
of the CAISO meter, and Check Meter data shall only be used to validate the CAISO meter data and, in the event
of a failure or other malfunction of the CAISO meter, in place of the CAISO meter until such time that the CAISO
meter is recertified.
with the Facility at a location provided by Seller that is compliant with Buyers electric service requirements.
The Check Meter must be interconnected with Buyers communication network to permit (a) periodic,
remote collection of revenue quality meter data, and (b) back-up real time transmission of operating-quality
meter data through the telemetering system. In the event that Buyer elects to install a Check Meter, Buyer
may compare the Check Meter data to the CAISO meter data. If the deviation between the CAISO meter data
and the Check Meter data for any comparison is greater than 0.3%, Buyer may provide Notice to Seller of such
deviation and the Parties shall mutually arrange for a meter check or recertification of the Check Meter or
CAISO meter, as applicable. Each Party shall bear its own costs for any meter check or recertification.
Testing procedures and standards for the Check Meter will be the same as for a comparable Buyer-owned meter.
Seller shall have the right to have representatives present during all such tests. The Check Meter, if Buyer elects
to install a Check Meter, is intended to be used for back-up purposes in the event of a failure or other malfunction
of the CAISO meter, and Check Meter data shall only be used to validate the CAISO meter data and, in the event
of a failure or other malfunction of the CAISO meter, in place of the CAISO meter until such time that the CAISO
meter is recertified.
Not gonna call the author and ask for a copy, nope.
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Hey billh58: From the report: "No good data on national rates of gun ownership exist"
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#58
I am not saying it is not true. There are a huge number of suicides with fire arms
Mojorabbit
Sep 2013
#120
Of course you are right. To conclude otherwise is just insane. But many of our DU friends will
Squinch
Sep 2013
#151
I might conduct a study on the incidence of the use of juvenile epithets in RKBA discussions...
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#59
It's SOP for controller banners: When debate is joined, they call it "predictable"
Eleanors38
Sep 2013
#163
Indeed. I am surprised they left out "hammers", but adding PP in there is very much a tell.
uppityperson
Sep 2013
#11
This is not a competition. If we can reduce all A B C D sources, why not do it. Non-sequitur. nt
thereismore
Sep 2013
#9
"broader social inequality, not gun ownership alone, contributes to the gun violence epidemic"
hack89
Sep 2013
#13
The Liberal/Progressive movement, of which this website is a participant, has been doing that for
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#36
I have been in this movement going back to the Vietnam Era and gun safety was an issue then
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#42
I wish I could read about more laws and more people in support of expanded gun safety courses.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#43
see my edit above for a little more of my own personal and professional involvement with the issue..
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#46
back in that day, handguns were the big issue. The Second A was still in its pre-Heller
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#52
I took a long walk down Memory Lane with that one...I haven't revisited it in years...
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#79
I have never seen a study cited on this board, or anywhere, that didn't contain lies and deception.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#20
The "noise to signal ratio" is why these topics used to be kept in the gungeon.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#89
If I were you, I'd forward your find to the BU professor. I'm sure he can issue a corrigendum
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#37
No, I have not, but if you wanted to, you could contact the prof and ask to see it....
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#113
but we know what the author examined and what the conclusions were and his methodology.
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#128
Just to add. We also know that the results are consistent with previous studies on
DanTex
Sep 2013
#134
That persuades me not to look further, but for some reason this idea of our not reading this study
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#140
Uh oh. If there's one thing the gun nuts hate more than gun control, it's science.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#22
Sort of like the non-existent Koch brothers who would *never* spend a dime of their own
DanTex
Sep 2013
#96
And thus you demonstrate (again) that yours is a faith-based movement.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#147
LOL. Kinda ironic to toss that out in a thread where gungeoneers are overtly denying science!
DanTex
Sep 2013
#153
There's no science (as of yet) to deny, in case you haven't noticed
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#160
And some here still haven't figured out what hearsay and 'argument from authority' are.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#167
Feel free at any time to refute what I say, instead of insulting me
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#169
It is technically possible that AJPH skipped the peer review. I can't refute that.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#170
I notice neither of you actually quote anybody saying what he claims.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2013
#148
Here's some reading to keep you busy. The link between gun ownership and homicide is not new.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#34
I think I might conduct a study, base it on already skewed reports and missing data, and sell it.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#62
I have way too much regular work to do. That's not very high on my list of priorities.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#149
I'm pretty sure it was a different member who was asking folks if they have read the study.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#156
you have my apologies. Obviously, I had some confusion over who was saying what...
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#158
I think there is an important distinction to be made here between the number of guns and ...
1-Old-Man
Sep 2013
#30
True, some NRA types say such things, but none of them are posting on this board.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#56
And partly because the Constitution, our president and the Democratic party platform
hack89
Sep 2013
#104
Studies have estimated the total dollar cost of gun violence to society upwards of $100 billion
DanTex
Sep 2013
#123
New Children's Defense Fund Report Highlights NRA's Efforts to Hide the Truth About Guns
etherealtruth
Sep 2013
#124