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148. This is a bit premature, considering we're arming the rebels

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:25 AM

Sep 2013

You know... so, shots are being fired with American arms. Arming insurgents is always the first step before we bomb the hell out of some poor country, and I'm just not sure how you can dance around claiming a victory in a situation that will only be clear with hindsight. Would it really be surprising to anyone who has followed the past 5+ presidential administrations that the details won't take 1+ years to come out without a whistleblower? Currently, Syrian rebels are denying that any CIA assistance has come while CIA agents are anonymously saying they are arming Syrian rebels. But, by all means, continue celebrating a victory this administration has not yet completely negotiated while leaving all options on the table for the foreseeable future.

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President Obama has won [View all] philosslayer Sep 2013 OP

I'll say!....Sincerely, Wall Street. Safetykitten Sep 2013 #1

Yes! I've been happily watching that nice trend. MoonRiver Sep 2013 #18

Which makes another point clear - Wall Street doesn't like war bhikkhu Sep 2013 #38

My retirement has done extraordinarily well since President Obama took office. So have the bluestate10 Sep 2013 #70

I'm happy for you and those others whose retirement funds are doing well. However totodeinhere Sep 2013 #159

Thanks for the whiney polemic Kolesar Sep 2013 #162

Of course this has been said before. But we need to continue to say it until something totodeinhere Sep 2013 #178

Obama & Kerry have Forrest-Gumped their way to victory leftstreet Sep 2013 #2

do you have specific examples you can share with the rest of us? mulsh Sep 2013 #16

Not at all karynnj Sep 2013 #37

Yep... IthinkThereforeIAM Sep 2013 #44

Per your view. I think the President and SOS Kerry brilliantly cornered the Russians bluestate10 Sep 2013 #71

Forest Gump? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #88

Penny Pritzker says...YES! Octafish Sep 2013 #3

The snark against positive posts about Obama--quick and plentiful Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #4

Thanks! Forgot to add Larry Summers. Octafish Sep 2013 #36

but they don't hate him....they "love him" right? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #90

We will look at your transparency page and consider the source too. L0oniX Sep 2013 #169

But it was messy, plus he didn't take the all rich people's money away in the process BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #5

Won WHAT? LWolf Sep 2013 #6

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #9

they always are. The is the problem with power struggles. It is the people who just want to liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #15

Then there's the false choice of Assad or extremists.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #43

But that's exactly what happened in Egypt Fla Dem Sep 2013 #153

That's the myth... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #164

My point exactly. Fla Dem Sep 2013 #177

The lesson learned is to unite the youth vote behind a single party and candidate. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #182

No, they aren't karynnj Sep 2013 #40

really - so they will keep living in fear of chemical weapons pasto76 Sep 2013 #149

Appparently, when it comes to Syrian chemical weapons, the world can't. MH1 Sep 2013 #12

Perfect response. MuseRider Sep 2013 #35

No good deed goes unpunished right? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #93

+1 n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #39

What is it that the OP has missed? MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #79

Jesus H Christ, what the hell will make you happy? DearAbby Sep 2013 #85

Some people don't realize that certain things are said and done solely to Kahuna Sep 2013 #146

! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #160

You GO, Abby!! DAMN fine post Number23 Sep 2013 #185

What has he won? Well for one making you and a number of other look rather foolish VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #92

OFF LWolf Sep 2013 #101

sure...you're not.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #103

Best to not feed the trolls. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #107

funny...trolls are often depicted as grumpy.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #117

Thank you, LWolf Carolina Sep 2013 #100

Well Obama did lead the world in getting this ban on Assad's chemical weapons like the leader he is Lifelong Dem Sep 2013 #110

the simplistic thinking here is staggering Skittles Sep 2013 #111

Syria is fucked but the world did follow the US's lead here. joshcryer Sep 2013 #130

Don't forget to vote. rug Sep 2013 #7

Well, not yet at least for me...but soon I hope. Larry Summers Safetykitten Sep 2013 #8

Our long stated goal in Syria is to depose Assad. Entering in to an international agreement... cigsandcoffee Sep 2013 #10

But you understand it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #23

What exactly would you have wanted done given the chemical weapons in Syria? karynnj Sep 2013 #53

What I wanted was no war nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #138

I agree and disagree karynnj Sep 2013 #163

Too damn early to say if it was on target nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #165

I actually read the foreign press as well karynnj Sep 2013 #170

We all hope it works, at least you and I do nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #174

Both Obama and Kerry said very clearly that that was NOT karynnj Sep 2013 #52

so you preferred he did bomb Syria? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #94

Wrong. With chemical weapons out of the equation toppling Assad becomes easier. joshcryer Sep 2013 #132

WRONG Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #166

indeed! DCBob Sep 2013 #11

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Premature conjecture kentuck Sep 2013 #14

He does seem to be in the driver's seat, doesn't he? andtheBeast Sep 2013 #17

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #22

...and there is a lot of rough road. Dangerous Curves Ahead. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #26

How many sock puppets do you and philosslayer have? LittleBlue Sep 2013 #27

I thought this was a messageboard for Democrats. Am I wrong? andtheBeast Sep 2013 #30

It is for Democrats BainsBane Sep 2013 #31

The right wing authoritarian idol worshipering democrats think that it should be... Larry Ogg Sep 2013 #65

Or people who insist on demonizing those they disagree with BainsBane Sep 2013 #91

Some days its the "Hate All Democrats All the Time Underground" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #95

Seems lately that there is a pretty sizable contingent of 'dems' Sheepshank Sep 2013 #89

is it me or are they getting more obvious? Skittles Sep 2013 #112

Good question, LittleBlue. Octafish Sep 2013 #161

Welcome to DU, and I apologize for LittleBlue. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #60

Welcome to DU andtheBeast!!!! blue14u Sep 2013 #144

K/R! Assad LIED on TV, Putin had to make him cough them up. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #19

You should listen to those in international relations nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #20

more snark from nadin... ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2013 #123

Did he? ocpagu Sep 2013 #21

+1 progressoid Sep 2013 #62

Did we invade and take control of Syria? Did I miss something? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #96

President Obama will never get the due credit for all he has done gopiscrap Sep 2013 #24

Not when Conservatives are currently writing a history of his failures,...to get them to cooperate. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #46

...is a myopic statement. This is much bigger than scoring political talking points. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #25

You want to agree that the President and John Kerry are Mentally Disabled like Forrest Gump? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #97

What does the right wing call a successful diplomatic solution ???? Mustellus Sep 2013 #28

What did he win? Rex Sep 2013 #29

Hardball fans. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #47

Opposing a strike was the right thing to do Jeroen Sep 2013 #32

Game's not over yet, but Obama is playing very well. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #33

The bigger winner are the 98% of the world who want the CWC followed. And in a small way, Syrians. freshwest Sep 2013 #34

shhhhh don't bring that up...they are too busy soft insulting Obama by calling him Forrest Gump! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #98

Okay for media pundits to degrade the learning disabled? Another epic empathy fail. freshwest Sep 2013 #115

The perpetually disgruntled are strong on this one.... DontTreadOnMe Sep 2013 #41

How's Gov. Don Siegelman doing? Octafish Sep 2013 #45

Try going outside... and feel the sun DontTreadOnMe Sep 2013 #48

Thanks for the advice. Octafish Sep 2013 #59

Do you have any more whining to do today? DontTreadOnMe Sep 2013 #61

Show where I was ''whining.'' In the meantime, I've got a question for you: Octafish Sep 2013 #64

Check and mate DontTreadOnMe Sep 2013 #69

So, besides labeling me, you got nothing. Octafish Sep 2013 #72

but you "love" Obama right? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #99

Voted for him twice, too. Octafish Sep 2013 #104

He just "sucks" until he has handled your problem as you see successfully I suppose VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #114

No need to put words in my mouth, VanillaRhapsody. That's a propaganda technique. Octafish Sep 2013 #118

+1! Vanje Sep 2013 #128

Thanks, Vanje! Back at ya! Octafish Sep 2013 #131

well done... fascisthunter Sep 2013 #133

I am sorry if Barack the Magic President hasn't waved his magic wand and wished them all away for VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #139

Stated intentions and what . . . brush Sep 2013 #137

thank you. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #145

You and me both brush Sep 2013 #151

Troll This. Octafish Sep 2013 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author brush Sep 2013 #171

Do you really want to know when I voted for a Democrat? brush Sep 2013 #172

Thanks! Octafish Sep 2013 #173

Realistically that big a task . . . brush Sep 2013 #183

You are very kind to respond with such consideration to anyone that uses Black Agenda Report Number23 Sep 2013 #186

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really. you're not kidding. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #157

I like brush Sep 2013 #184

DTOM, you win this thread...IMHO! Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #63

I'm right there with you. The naysayers are pounding the OP and questioning bluestate10 Sep 2013 #73

Yes, the Rope-A-Dope Kid has struck again. rocktivity Sep 2013 #42

Game? Agreed. Set and match? A little premature, I fear DFW Sep 2013 #49

K&R BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #50

We saw the same "Obama is a genius chess player" posts go west young man Sep 2013 #51

Love Wes Clark. tblue Sep 2013 #152

If that's what he did, bravo deutsey Sep 2013 #54

Obama says if diplomacy fails, the United States remains prepared to act Jessy169 Sep 2013 #55

No, President Obama has not won. The international community has won assuming that this agreement totodeinhere Sep 2013 #56

Wouldn't want to give the man any credit...that would be just terrible... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #102

But I didn't say don't give the man any credit. I said don't give him all the credit. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #116

funny how someone was here giving some credit...and you came along to make sure it wasn't "too much" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #140

Just trying to be honest and realistic. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #141

just trying to "kinda bash"...not full on...just soft bash... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #142

Saying that more than one person deserves some of the credit for this is not bashing anyone. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #143

Then maybe that deserves its own thread... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #176

Giving credit to only one person when more than one deserve credit is totodeinhere Sep 2013 #179

NO I would say insisting that others recognize who you believe deserves credit... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #180

So what's happening on The Voice, Jersey Shore and Dancing With the Stars? L0oniX Sep 2013 #57

Apologies to the Jury demwing Sep 2013 #58

Attn DU: A serial alerter has been removed from the game for 24 hours, adjust your plans accordingly Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #75

Really? What did he win exactly? What competition did he enter? cui bono Sep 2013 #66

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2013 #67

You have pissed off the purists of DU. To them, President Obama is a disappointment bluestate10 Sep 2013 #68

There, Their, They're, you'll feel better soon. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #81

Harry knew how to win! GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #147

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Tell us how you feel about drones. uppityperson Sep 2013 #76

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...and how do you feel about libraries? cyberswede Sep 2013 #80

Aw dang, I missed her reply. uppityperson Sep 2013 #83

It was lame... cyberswede Sep 2013 #84

Well, there is always hope for the future. uppityperson Sep 2013 #87

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he survived. and yes, that's winning in this instance cali Sep 2013 #77

Does he get another Nobel Peace Prize? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #82

nice. Phlem Sep 2013 #106

And now watch as all the republicans vote for the authorization of bombing strikes thelordofhell Sep 2013 #86

I don't know if this was the plan from the begining, ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #105

And the best part is that he had to stand alone without his own party... Walk away Sep 2013 #108

Just remembered he won by listening to progressives, and I'll give him a win, thus far. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #109

K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #119

Won what? Owl Sep 2013 #120

Putin versus Obama is like Pee Wee herman fighting Mohammed Ali mwrguy Sep 2013 #121

Did you mention chess?! Cha Sep 2013 #122

sorry you didn't get the war you wanted stupidicus Sep 2013 #124

*sigh* philosslayer Sep 2013 #125

right stupidicus Sep 2013 #188

I think the people of Syria and the world won a reprieve from new US war. morningfog Sep 2013 #126

Nah, Syria is going to have a very bloody and nasty civil war for years. joshcryer Sep 2013 #134

he won? And what of the rest of us fascisthunter Sep 2013 #127

The President is defacto dictator of the military. joshcryer Sep 2013 #129

nah, you're not naive fascisthunter Sep 2013 #135

Looks to me like self-delusion has won. n/t Skip Intro Sep 2013 #136

This is a bit premature, considering we're arming the rebels intersectionality Sep 2013 #148

Is Syria still selling oil in euros? nt valerief Sep 2013 #150

But what if onlyadream Sep 2013 #154

not over untill it's over. Nerve wracking time now where *anything* could happen. Sunlei Sep 2013 #156

Was it not SoS Kerry's snarky comment that started the ball rolling? JEB Sep 2013 #158

This thread is AWESOME!!!! Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #167

I really dont get the goofy chess comments the bashers keep bringing up. DCBob Sep 2013 #168

What the fuck has he won? Is there a prize for playing war? What's the prize for killing? Melinda Sep 2013 #175

Actually the American people won Generic Other Sep 2013 #181