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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
16. Technical analysis:
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:39 AM
Sep 2013

I've seen these kinds of stocks advertised recently in the two advertiser-supported gun magazines I subscribe to. What it is is a "bump-fire" stock.

"Bump-firing" has been around for a while; it's done with a semiautomatic long gun. By sticking your thumb or finger through the trigger guard, then hooking it into your belt loop or pocket, you can then use your other hand to pull the gun forward. As you pull the gun forward, it goes off and recoils backwards, resetting the trigger. Because you are still pulling forward, the recoil is quickly absorbed and the gun moves forward again, and the cycle repeats until the gun is empty.

This brief video (39 seconds) shows how it is done. An AR-15 is shown, but it can be done with pretty much any semi-auto rifle or shotgun.




Here's how the "Slide Fire" stock works. Yeah, it's an ad for the company, but it's short and to the point. You can google for others if you wish.



As you can see, the entire gun, except for the pistol grip and buttstock, is spring-loaded, allowing the receiver and barrel to rock back and forth each time the gun discharges. It's aimed bump fire.



Now, what we're seeing here is the confluence of two separate technologies: the concept of belt-fed guns, which goes back over a century, and bump-firing, which probably goes back about 70 years.


Reloading: compared to guns that feed from a magazine, belt-fed guns take longer to reload. First, the old belt box has to be removed and a new one inserted. The gun has to be opened up, the top of the belt grabbed, and the belt fed in; it's probably a two-handed operation and requires putting the gun on a table or something else solid. Then you have to release the action to chamber a round.

This compares to a regular magazine, which requires pressing the magazine release. The magazine then falls out unassisted. A new magazine is pushed up into the magazine well, and the action is then released to chamber a round. This can be done in a couple of seconds, and one-handed, without letting go of the gun.

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well, it's a good thing only responsible gun owners will own them. KG Sep 2013 #1
Because the only thing this planet needs is more bullets malaise Sep 2013 #2
Stock of this company just went up.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #3
Why, it does not work for rifle rounds Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #7
Of course if you fire too many rounds in a burst, the thing will overheat & jam. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #4
It may have nothing to do with hate... HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #31
Putting yourself in danger for sport is one thing Mopar151 Sep 2013 #77
I find that pretty easy to agree with...I was just making an observation HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #80
I've worked with a serious (legal) machine gun collector. Mopar151 Sep 2013 #87
And I've done serious work with an M-60 machine gun. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #90
You, my Dad, and most other real combat vets. Mopar151 Sep 2013 #106
As liberalmike27 Sep 2013 #50
I don't see hate. Who's hating what? 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #88
Hate for anyone who owns a firearm. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #89
Who's exercising that hate? 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #91
look at any gun thread, you will see it. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #93
more really big news Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #5
At $6000 I doubt that ANY will be used in any sort of shooting rl6214 Sep 2013 #9
They won't be able to keep up with demand for them. (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #14
I doubt that nt Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #21
Well you can buy a standard slide fore stock for about $300 Adrahil Sep 2013 #53
"They will sell very few..." 99Forever Sep 2013 #10
Um... krispos42 Sep 2013 #17
Yeah, ain't it wonderful? 99Forever Sep 2013 #18
So I assume Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #22
By all means, continue fretting over the least-likely things to kill you. krispos42 Sep 2013 #49
Yeah, that bump-firing video sure went away in a hurry, didn't it? Paladin Sep 2013 #48
I had zero difficulty finding one on YouTube krispos42 Sep 2013 #51
If it makes you feel better to shift blame like that, feel free. Paladin Sep 2013 #52
Historical precedent is on my side. krispos42 Sep 2013 #59
Extra credit for the "bleeds over" description. Paladin Sep 2013 #63
They're mostly nothing.. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #117
"what POSSIBLE responsible, PEACEFUL reason is there for a private citizen to own such a thing? " etherealtruth Sep 2013 #23
A story about this gun got on CNN. Mothers saw this gun on CNN. onehandle Sep 2013 #11
Would you object to a story about a new derivative structure that allowed banks to dodge DanTex Sep 2013 #15
we do not have a limit as far Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #24
We also have an exception right now for guns. DanTex Sep 2013 #25
I do not think this story qualifies for an exception Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #28
The fact that effectively full-auto weapons can be sold due to a loophole in the law DanTex Sep 2013 #30
as shown in this thread Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #32
In which case the loophole in the law is even bigger than the OP says. DanTex Sep 2013 #35
so you would confiscate Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #38
That's a different question, but at least I would want them registered. DanTex Sep 2013 #44
That's okay. Igel Sep 2013 #20
Well said. nt oldhippie Sep 2013 #55
A spree shooter doesn't give a shit about the future longevity of the barrel. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #78
So outlaw the bump stock Recursion Sep 2013 #6
Works for me Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #8
I agree. This should have already been done. (n/t) spin Sep 2013 #12
It works for me... if we can define how fast a gun may shoot before it's a machine gun. krispos42 Sep 2013 #47
So, don't allow adjustable stocks? Adrahil Sep 2013 #56
Adjustable, yes. krispos42 Sep 2013 #58
what happens if my latch breaks? Am I suddenly in possession of an illegal machine gun? Adrahil Sep 2013 #85
Only if it's spring-loaded a certain way. krispos42 Sep 2013 #86
Why? If it serves no purpose, then why ban it, because it seems scary? nt Adrahil Sep 2013 #54
Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #67
Looks like a jamming nightmare to me... Monster_Mash Sep 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Sep 2013 #60
Technical analysis: krispos42 Sep 2013 #16
Oh goody. Gun porn in GD. 99Forever Sep 2013 #19
A Greenwald fan taunting a gun owner on DU Kolesar Sep 2013 #26
Sorry for informing you with objective facts. krispos42 Sep 2013 #42
You're just speaking facts with your face, here derby378 Sep 2013 #100
I just hate it when people post gun porn in GD. rrneck Sep 2013 #57
Are you saying the OP is "gun porn," or the other videos? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #70
99 doesn't last forever snooper2 Sep 2013 #82
Ahhh ... a true wit! 99Forever Sep 2013 #107
Gun porn disgusts you? GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #92
Gun humpers disgust me. 99Forever Sep 2013 #108
ahh, ok, but gun porn is just fine! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #113
Is that what I said? 99Forever Sep 2013 #114
you didn't dispute it. n/t GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #115
... 99Forever Sep 2013 #116
...... GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #119
Boi-oi-oi-oi-oing! Iggo Sep 2013 #40
... rrneck Sep 2013 #27
"Spray" is an incorrect term. "Belt-fed" is inaccurate. There's no such thing as a "machine gun," alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #29
and where have you seen these Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #34
LOL. It's really just the same as a rubber band! Do you want to ban rubber bands? DanTex Sep 2013 #36
Gosh, Dan, you're really worried about this? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #71
Stick around and you might learn something. ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #97
Looks like fun but at $6,000... I'll pass. HolyMoley Sep 2013 #33
????? heaven05 Sep 2013 #46
6k could go a long way to complete my must have list. ileus Sep 2013 #62
I'd like an old Remington model 81 in .35. That'll bump you. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #72
Limited only by your Wallet. formercia Sep 2013 #37
Constitution!!! Iggo Sep 2013 #39
Belt fed, sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #41
god bless amerika heaven05 Sep 2013 #43
Are you OK, heaven 05? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #73
some days, no heaven05 Sep 2013 #84
I understand, and I've been there. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #104
well given the fact that heaven05 Sep 2013 #105
Perhaps those who wish to reduce the occurences of Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #109
I have no problem with anything you said heaven05 Sep 2013 #110
And just in time for the holdays! matt819 Sep 2013 #45
useless gimmick ileus Sep 2013 #61
Would have to agree The Straight Story Sep 2013 #65
I've shot a slide fire AR-15 Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #66
I've saw several come up of facebook for sale. ileus Sep 2013 #79
You sure do know how to yank the chain of the anti-gunnies, onehandle. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #64
Now ain't that so fucking special! indepat Sep 2013 #68
After you are done paying $6000 for the rifle, ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #69
Hell, I'd use 6k for new plumbing. Then, I'd start on the house. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #74
I hear you there! ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #95
If it's made in America and people are buying the thing then more power to them. nt Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #75
Jesus Christ and why the fuck do we need this type of weapon? gopiscrap Sep 2013 #76
It is not about "need", it is about "want". ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #94
yeah you're right gopiscrap Sep 2013 #96
You see, this is the problem. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #98
Then don't disassociate the deadly weapon part. ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #99
You appeared to be advocating shooting just because it was fun. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #101
I am advocating shooting just because it is fun. ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #103
I shoot for recreation hack89 Sep 2013 #111
And all the gun enthusiasts will flock to buy it. Because they can. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #81
So ban the damn things. hack89 Sep 2013 #83
Anyone here notice that these Slide Fire stocks have been on sale for TWO YEARS? derby378 Sep 2013 #102
Defending gun culture... Today! onehandle Sep 2013 #112
I'll pass... Adam-Bomb Sep 2013 #118
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