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LostOne4Ever

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27. I don't deny
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:05 AM
Sep 2013

I don't deny that the democratic party has and does engage in that type of behavior, I do feel that they are far far better than the republicans.

The democrats (overall, not in its entirety) did vote for raising the minimum wage and curtailing the NSA spying powers. Obamacare is a mess, but it is still a foot in the door for a possible single payer system in the future.

Of course, they were on the losing side on spying and minimum wage. I am also keenly aware that the sole dissenting vote on the Patriot act in the Senate was from a democrat, Russ Feingold.

I also feel the democrats have done a much better job on same sex marriage and separation of church and state. The republicans, if they had their way, would make us look like Russia when it comes to LGBT issues and like a Christian Iran.

But I am also keenly aware that overall the dems are also owned by wall street, and will sell us out on social issues the moment public opinion turns. That said, they still are 100x better than the Republicans and so long as we are shackled by this two party system our only hope of getting ANYTHING accomplished.

I am indeed aware of libertarianism's leftist past. Anywhere else in the world the libertarianism is associated deeply with the left. I like to note to people that the ACLU is also a libertarian organisation and has been around since the 1920s while the LP has only been around since the 1970s to demonstrate this concept.

I desperately want to reclaim the term libertarian for the left.

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Reading further... chervilant Sep 2013 #1
Impossible to separate them.. sendero Sep 2013 #2
"Don't servants create lunch?" Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #4
What you say about corporate leaders can also be said about government leaders davidn3600 Sep 2013 #17
I agree totally.. sendero Sep 2013 #20
If you don't understand the difference between Libertarian and libertarianism, don't write about it. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #3
Holy cow. secondvariety Sep 2013 #5
Do you know the difference? Would you be willing to 'splain it to us? Scuba Sep 2013 #6
Well, for instance, left-wing libertarianism is many faceted. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #8
So is that a "no"? Scuba Sep 2013 #10
I just described the clear distinctive difference between Libertarians and left-wing libertarians... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #12
You are exactly demonstrating the problem of clinging to the little-l term Orrex Sep 2013 #22
In 20+ years of discussing this subject, I have found in nearly all cases... Orrex Sep 2013 #9
The Libertarian party hijacked a well-established, diverse historical term... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #11
You'd be better off picking another term Orrex Sep 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #16
"What's in a name? sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #19
Sorry that was not my intention in posting this LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #24
I see myself as both a liberal and a leftwing libertarian LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #14
Question about articles appearing in multiple outlets... OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #7
Afraid I have no clue LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #15
It may be by contract or mutual agreement. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #26
No need to ask. They are. n2doc Sep 2013 #18
Broad brush statements disidoro01 Sep 2013 #21
Actually LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #23
While I agree disidoro01 Sep 2013 #25
I don't deny LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #27
The left disidoro01 Sep 2013 #28
This is good, I like it! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #29
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