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Diclotican

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76. mountain grammy

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:47 AM

Sep 2013

mountain grammy

I know - that is the most scary thing with it all - I would have been dead if I was not on medicare or had an incurace who could help me... at least some of the way to health..... But thanks to universal Health Care I am back home - and well enough to get well when the time comes..
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The US is a cruel place to live, if you get sick, I would say - and no one can guaranty that you will stay healthy forever either....

It is sad you have lost friends - not because their illness was not curable - but because they could not afford the copay for getting medical attention they was in need of.. It most be horrible to live in a country where you must be afraid of going sick - and where the possibility of dying must be calculated - because you was not able to pay the bills.....

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My experience with Universal health Care [View all] Diclotican Sep 2013 OP

Thank you. And your grammar and spelling are better than that of many posters. Squinch Sep 2013 #1

Because Obama! the US has come up with a 'uniquely american' solution. KG Sep 2013 #2

Social Security = we're all forced to pay into a retirement security Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #9

quality coverage at an affordable cost KG Sep 2013 #12

Honest question: why the hilarity? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #16

please. ACA is nothing even remotely like SS or fire depts. KG Sep 2013 #18

Their profits are regulated, the premiums have to be approved, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #22

You mean, Their Profits are NOW Guaranteed! bvar22 Sep 2013 #99

Well, before the ACA they could politely turn down a cancer patient who applied for insurance. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #131

But NOW, thanks to the ACA, RICH People who can aford the pricy "Buy In"... bvar22 Sep 2013 #145

I guess you're not familiar with the ACA premium subsidies (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #150

That only applies to those who qualify to go on the exchanges... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #177

There are income limits to who qualifies for a subsidy. dflprincess Sep 2013 #239

One thing to bear in mind is that preventive care is free, regardless of the deductible. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #242

Preventive care doesn't do you any good if you can't afford any follow up you may need. dflprincess Sep 2013 #252

In-network lab service on a CT silver plan has a $30 copay. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #255

Yes -"a transfer of billions in public and private money into the pockets of ...crooks" bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #274

Here's the flexibility that the ACA offers. roamer65 Sep 2013 #181

As far as I'm aware of, you are disqualified from the exchanges if the plans... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #196

A lot of employers are going to drop their plans IMO. roamer65 Sep 2013 #227

So you would prefer $15,000 a month you can't pay to $300 a month you can't pay? Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #235

If one doesn NOT have the the $300/month in disposable income, bvar22 Sep 2013 #282

Correct - but the same was true (and worse) Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #283

exactly (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #273

Because we have been sold a bill of goods. RC Sep 2013 #27

If you really don't understand how "more coverage" leads to "better health care" Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #32

Coverage is not health care. RC Sep 2013 #38

see, it always goes back to hating obama. KG Sep 2013 #100

Yep, that hate cause me to enthusiastically vote for him the first time & reluctantly the 2nd time. RC Sep 2013 #118

One part of Obamacare... Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #199

Guaranteed PROFITS for Corporations that are SUPPOSED.... bvar22 Sep 2013 #208

per Bernie there were < 10 votes in the senate for single payer, it;s sad, but bark up a dionysus Sep 2013 #238

Single Payer wasn't even allowed on the table. RC Sep 2013 #244

i know.we're not really disageeing. it wasn't on the table because it didn't have support even in dionysus Sep 2013 #293

It's a first step adieu Sep 2013 #111

President Obama had 60 Democrats in the Senate and a Democratic House. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #130

You still choose plan A B or C, depending what you can afford. Could you afford 30% of hospital care SugarShack Sep 2013 #63

In CT, under an Obamacare Silver plan, for a hospital stay, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #67

$500 per day copay? Kermitt Gribble Sep 2013 #179

I'm not sure how I said it "like it is spare change". Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #185

I thought the annual out of pocket limits and lifetime limits have been suspended for a year... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #203

You have to meet the deductible first, which means a maximum of 5000 dollars for first admission... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #210

I'm pretty sure that if you stay in network it's only the copay. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #212

Follow the asterisks in your posts about the plan information you are given... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #215

Remember - there is an out of pocket maximum per year. Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #284

That's at least 3 months pay, combined income, I guess we aren't supposed to pay for rent or food. Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #288

They are less screwed than before the ACA Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #291

No, I don't qualify for subsidies or cost sharing, my work offers insurance... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #292

Well - if your insurance is crappy enough Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #294

ah yes: Institutionalized inequality - Platinum people and Bronze people bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #275

Unless you're in a union... Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #258

Tell us why you think expanded Medicaid and subsidies up to 400% of FPL tabasco Sep 2013 #19

Not everyone is getting expanded medicaid BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #91

+++++++++++++ (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #272

And SS, disablity, Fire departments are all for-profit too! progressoid Sep 2013 #30

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #34

You really don't see the difference edhopper Sep 2013 #43

Bravo!! Jerry442 Sep 2013 #52

Privately-owned toll roads? What a ridiculous and unthinkable idea! Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #72

I think the most important sentence pangaia Sep 2013 #80

Er...no. As usual. LWolf Sep 2013 #53

Different implementation with essentially the same outcome. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #61

Insurance reforms are welcome. Mandated purchase, NOT leftstreet Sep 2013 #68

Private, for profit insurance LWolf Sep 2013 #79

Interesting tiredtoo Sep 2013 #142

What do *I* consider affordable? LWolf Sep 2013 #152

Well, tiredtoo Sep 2013 #200

The state of Michigan forces you to own a car and keep it on the road? Fumesucker Sep 2013 #216

not the last that i heard tiredtoo Sep 2013 #221

I didn't think any of the insurance exchanges were as yet all settled in DebJ Sep 2013 #168

One in CA. One in OR. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #172

Do you remember the dynamics of the House and Senate when the ACA passed? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #232

"Pushing for more." LWolf Sep 2013 #295

Quality coverage? enlightenment Sep 2013 #78

OK: Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #81

Bully for Connecticut. enlightenment Sep 2013 #107

$1377 all-inclusive for a 2 night hospital stay, the doctors, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #117

I'm delighted you're pleased with the CT plan. enlightenment Sep 2013 #119

Sorry, but I don't have time to do that for all 50 states (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #123

Don't forget that if you have NO insurance, every service will cost you double, triple, or more DebJ Sep 2013 #170

My fiancee takes about 10 medications a month, for a chronic condition... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #165

Have you checked what subsidy you would be entitled to? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #182

None, my employer offers a bronze level plan... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #184

So you would be better off if your employer offered no insurance. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #187

Yes, though I heard they are renegotiating, but we won't know squat till December... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #188

OK, well the best of luck with that (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #189

Well, to be honest, I'm trying to switch jobs before that, but it really is going to depend on... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #201

I wouldn't trade my Canadian plan for anything remotely like that. delrem Sep 2013 #241

"57% of Canadians reported waiting 30 days (4 weeks) or more to see a specialist". Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #245

I don't see anything wrong with a wait time to see specialists in non-life-threatening delrem Sep 2013 #249

My understanding is that many rich bastards come to the US for health care Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #251

Of course they do! delrem Sep 2013 #257

I had to wait FIVE mimi85 Sep 2013 #254

But of your examples, Obamacare is the only one demwing Sep 2013 #82

Again, that was the only way to get a bill passed. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #87

Honestly, I'm not sure I do agree demwing Sep 2013 #98

It is *not* closer to the "ideal" (single payer gov't overseen) plan. delrem Sep 2013 #243

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #247

So why did Paul Krugman describe Obamacare as "an approximation of a single payer system"? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #248

He's wrong. delrem Sep 2013 #250

SocSec, Medicare and fire departments are GOVERNMENT programs eridani Sep 2013 #231

off to the greatest page for you rurallib Sep 2013 #3

rurallib Diclotican Sep 2013 #10

The US let my daughter die because of money Stargazer99 Sep 2013 #4

Stargazer99 Diclotican Sep 2013 #8

Very sorry about your daughter. You hit the real problem we are having right now square on the head jwirr Sep 2013 #60

I am so sorry to hear it. Quantess Sep 2013 #116

Thank you. K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #5

Thanks for relating your experience. Sienna86 Sep 2013 #6

Sienna86 Diclotican Sep 2013 #13

knr Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #7

brings this to mind: how the TV show 'Breaking Bad' plays out in the rest of the civilized world. KG Sep 2013 #11

KG Diclotican Sep 2013 #26

K&R. So many Americans die from lack of healthcare. DLevine Sep 2013 #14

DLevine Diclotican Sep 2013 #17

That's right. NOBODY with single payer health care would want the US system. Quantess Sep 2013 #77

Quantess Diclotican Sep 2013 #83

Thanks for posting that. I also live in a country with universal health care... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #15

Violet_Crumble Diclotican Sep 2013 #23

Your Australian rates are cheap compared to what we pay in Germany! DFW Sep 2013 #28

And I believe that in your countries, your employer will even accommodate DebJ Sep 2013 #171

DebJ Diclotican Sep 2013 #175

Three days can put you in trouble here in many places. A week, maybe. DebJ Sep 2013 #193

I'm not moving back to the USA until the health care system is fixed. Quantess Sep 2013 #20

Quantess Diclotican Sep 2013 #24

Health care was one of two issues for us when we left the US. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #35

American friends who have had cancer and insurance Quantess Sep 2013 #69

Completely agree. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #84

Nice to see you dodged the vicious Norwegian Death Panels krispos42 Sep 2013 #21

krispos42 Diclotican Sep 2013 #25

Glad to hear that things worked out for you, Diclotican. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #29

Enthusiast Diclotican Sep 2013 #31

You can get the same kind of universal care in the US dem in texas Sep 2013 #33

dem in texas Diclotican Sep 2013 #36

I was making an ironic statement, I know it doesn't work for everyone dem in texas Sep 2013 #103

dem in texas Diclotican Sep 2013 #169

Thanks dem in texas for posting the supplemental costs. DebJ Sep 2013 #174

dem in Texas, you are misinformed Maineman Sep 2013 #48

Countries with single payer usually have small charges for patients. Not free. Quantess Sep 2013 #134

Quantess Diclotican Sep 2013 #176

The difference is that when one is at an "advanced" age, SoCalDem Sep 2013 #213

Sort of. LWolf Sep 2013 #56

Meds come under the bill passed by G.W.Bush and the repugs eom tiredtoo Sep 2013 #214

And isn't part of the ACA? nt LWolf Sep 2013 #217

the aca tiredtoo Sep 2013 #222

So we're not really talking about GWB's actions. LWolf Sep 2013 #225

sir tiredtoo Sep 2013 #226

It will be better under Obamacare. roamer65 Sep 2013 #178

Quality of a country's health care measured by what the bottom 10% get, not the top 10%. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #37

Bernardo de La Paz Diclotican Sep 2013 #42

"often it is the sick and poor who need universal health care more than everyone else" Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #44

If "We take care of our own" good enough for US Marines, it's good enough for the whole USA. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #39

Diclotican Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #40

Iwillnevergiveup Diclotican Sep 2013 #45

Even if we ditched sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #41

sulphurdunn Diclotican Sep 2013 #46

Interesting comment/observation ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #270

ConcernedCanuk Diclotican Sep 2013 #277

Don't forget the rampant profiteering of the medical/pharmaceutical community and the Maineman Sep 2013 #55

Maineman Diclotican Sep 2013 #59

Wrong. The healthier you are, the longer you live. The longer you live-- eridani Sep 2013 #233

Yes, we could. Even with an expensive security state-- eridani Sep 2013 #279

we here in america heaven05 Sep 2013 #47

heaven05 Diclotican Sep 2013 #65

I could not agree more heaven05 Sep 2013 #70

heaven05 Diclotican Sep 2013 #75

so glad you're on the mend.. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #49

mountain grammy Diclotican Sep 2013 #76

It is horrible, Diclotican. The worst thing is people who are so afraid of universal health mountain grammy Sep 2013 #153

mountain grammy Diclotican Sep 2013 #157

Diclotican, what you say is so true, but the real problem is mountain grammy Sep 2013 #159

mountain grammy Diclotican Sep 2013 #164

Hejsan! Demeter Sep 2013 #50

Demeter Diclotican Sep 2013 #54

Thank you, Diclotican. Aristus Sep 2013 #51

Aristus Diclotican Sep 2013 #57

Glad you are AOK Diclotican JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #58

JustAnotherGen Diclotican Sep 2013 #62

My great-aunt's experience with NHS in Wales. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #64

ColesCountyDem Diclotican Sep 2013 #73

Diclotican Thor_MN Sep 2013 #66

Thor_MN Diclotican Sep 2013 #74

DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #71

If you don't go broke paying for life-sustaining healthcare it ain't freedom! Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #85

Arugula Latte Diclotican Sep 2013 #96

here in the states that would cost somewhere between 3-4 hundred thousand dollars madrchsod Sep 2013 #86

madrchsod Diclotican Sep 2013 #88

i've declared medical bankruptcy twice in my lifetime madrchsod Sep 2013 #204

madrchsod Diclotican Sep 2013 #207

Under an Obamacare gold plan it would cost no more than $3000. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #92

thanks madrchsod Sep 2013 #205

Americans don't realise how screwed they are Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #89

Under an Obamacare Gold plan, it would have cost you no more than $3000, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #90

You're ignoring the insurance premiums Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #93

What would your cost be without Obamacare? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #105

Worse, no doubt Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #112

So starting next year you will be paying somewhat more per month, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #126

Maybe Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #135

Bear in mind that under the ACA check-ups and all preventive care are free, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #138

That's an important point Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #141

Ron Obvious Diclotican Sep 2013 #94

That bill also arrived 6 months later... Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #128

Ron Obvious Diclotican Sep 2013 #143

glad you are on the mend. mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2013 #95

mstinamotorcity2 Diclotican Sep 2013 #97

Diclotican, I'm sorry you had this health ordeal, but glad you did not have the added stress of suffragette Sep 2013 #101

suffragette Diclotican Sep 2013 #104

Hi, Diclotican! Hissyspit Sep 2013 #102

Hissyspit Diclotican Sep 2013 #106

Your English is much better than my Norwegian... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #108

awoke_in_2003 Diclotican Sep 2013 #110

I don't hold out much hope... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #122

I have the VA and it is pretty good madokie Sep 2013 #109

madokie Diclotican Sep 2013 #113

Cost? Put it this way, break your leg on a ski trip and lose your house. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #114

Spitfire of ATJ Diclotican Sep 2013 #115

Woulda been cheaper to toss the TV in there. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #146

Or pay no more than $3000 for everything under an Obamacare Gold plan. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #124

I didn't find any premiums on the site - Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #285

Here's a link that talks about premiums: Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #286

So - for anyone with ongoing meds and medical needs Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #287

I am originally from Canada pandr32 Sep 2013 #120

pandr32 Diclotican Sep 2013 #129

This is why as a Canadian I don't agree that the US ACA is a "first-step to universal coverage". delrem Sep 2013 #237

I'm so glad you are getting well! REP Sep 2013 #121

REP Diclotican Sep 2013 #133

"Den Brysomme Mannen" is a really good movie REP Sep 2013 #156

REP Diclotican Sep 2013 #160

Here's an experience of a loved one with Commonwealth Care (AKA Romneycare, precursor to Obamacare) MADem Sep 2013 #125

See, that's how Romney totally, monumentally screwed up in 2012. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #127

Thank heavens his judgment sucked so bad! MADem Sep 2013 #139

MADem Diclotican Sep 2013 #137

We are not going to get that. It's not going to happen. At least not soon, and maybe not ever. MADem Sep 2013 #149

MADem Diclotican Sep 2013 #154

I found this comparison between tax rates in Norway, in my state (blue Mass), and MADem Sep 2013 #155

MADem Diclotican Sep 2013 #173

I have to agree--the trick is getting it in the first place! nt MADem Sep 2013 #206

MADem Diclotican Sep 2013 #211

American people accept a corporate dictatorship Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2013 #132

Diclotican, barbtries Sep 2013 #136

barbtries Diclotican Sep 2013 #140

thank you so much for your story. We have to have universal health care here in the US. There just liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #144

liberal_at_heart Diclotican Sep 2013 #147

You heal, and if you were in the US nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #148

nadinbrzezinski Diclotican Sep 2013 #151

Can somebody edit this? ErikJ Sep 2013 #158

ErikJ Diclotican Sep 2013 #161

Lots of vicious propaganda out there. ErikJ Sep 2013 #163

ErikJ Diclotican Sep 2013 #166

If it were me tiredtoo Sep 2013 #223

Thank you for sharing this with us. Just the fact that you were admitted and held in Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #162

Egalitarian Thug Diclotican Sep 2013 #167

Thanks for sharing Diclotican, Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #180

Uncle Joe Diclotican Sep 2013 #183

Your English is beautiful fadedrose Sep 2013 #186

fadedrose Diclotican Sep 2013 #190

Poetic prose, yes, that's how you write... fadedrose Sep 2013 #191

fadedrose Diclotican Sep 2013 #195

Thank you for sharing this. Even in your non-native language, it makes sense and... Triana Sep 2013 #192

Triana Diclotican Sep 2013 #194

"I have always been wondering why americans are so afraid of change" Triana Sep 2013 #220

thanks for writing this, Diclotican Skittles Sep 2013 #197

Skittles Diclotican Sep 2013 #198

You would have lost your home in the US Doctor_J Sep 2013 #202

Doctor_J Diclotican Sep 2013 #209

I think this is the way the president & Dems should have pitched SP UHC here Doctor_J Sep 2013 #218

I have friend that lives in Monterrey, Mexico. Lobo27 Sep 2013 #219

In Japan... Godot51 Sep 2013 #224

How much do you pay in taxes for your Universal coverage? cbdo2007 Sep 2013 #228

cbdo2007 Diclotican Sep 2013 #263

I am glad you were able to get medical care and now are on the mend. :^) GreenPartyVoter Sep 2013 #229

GreenPartyVoter Diclotican Sep 2013 #264

Your grammar and spelling are better than those of a couple of US Congress members eridani Sep 2013 #230

eridani Diclotican Sep 2013 #265

I have a friend in Norway right now being treated for throat cancer LadyHawkAZ Sep 2013 #234

LadyHawkAZ Diclotican Sep 2013 #266

it wasn't free... you paid for it with your taxes.. came out on top, and thats how it should be dionysus Sep 2013 #236

dionysus Diclotican Sep 2013 #267

Very glad you are recovering, Diclotican! TygrBright Sep 2013 #240

TygrBright Diclotican Sep 2013 #260

We have Universal Rent Extraction kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #246

kenny blankenship Diclotican Sep 2013 #261

I appreciate hearing your experience with healthcare in Norway davidpdx Sep 2013 #253

davidpdx Diclotican Sep 2013 #262

K&R! Amazing post and thank you! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2013 #256

Rhiannon12866 Diclotican Sep 2013 #268

I hope so, too, but I fear I will not live to see that day. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #259

kestrel91316 Diclotican Sep 2013 #269

10 days in the hospital=35K for ROOM AND BOARD DiverDave Sep 2013 #271

DiverDave Diclotican Sep 2013 #276

I was pretty sick DiverDave Sep 2013 #280

DiverDave Diclotican Sep 2013 #281

I couldnt think straight DiverDave Sep 2013 #289

DiverDave Diclotican Sep 2013 #290

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #278