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58. You believe all of the credit should go to Snowden...

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:46 PM

Sep 2013

Even though the ACLU has been working on this for a decade.

I expect that they would have won out eventually - Snowden just happened to be the 'attention seeking' dude that came along.

I'm not sure why its so important that he be viewed as the hero. I specifically prefer that he not be viewed as a hero because he broke the law. I believe he could have accomplished the same thing and remained anonymous.

If people believe that they can break the law, become a household name, and be considered a hero - I'm concerned we will have copycats.

Why is it so important to you that he be viewed as 'the hero' in this - this is clearly a victory for the ACLU?

Certainly he helped their case, but it is still their case. Is it just because there has been so much disagreement between DU members? The ACLU has a long tradition of liberal activism, why are we giving all of the credit for this to Snowden?

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Because Obama! RetroLounge Sep 2013 #32

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The 'Snowden component' to this story is opinion.... Blanks Sep 2013 #40

Do you believe they would have done so irregardless? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #44

Do you believe the ACLU is ineffective? Blanks Sep 2013 #45

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I find it amusing AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #55

Your question is irrelevent AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #54

You believe all of the credit should go to Snowden... Blanks Sep 2013 #58

Where have I ever said Snowden was a "Hero"? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #60

I don't know that YOU called him a hero. There are those here who have. Blanks Sep 2013 #61

I think the 'hero' nonsense is just a distraction AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #62

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