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nadinbrzezinski

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99. Getting electorate out

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:50 PM

Sep 2013

I cover politics locally.

We even have a special election coming.

Since I cover politics locally and the little paper that could is seen as truly neutral, a real feat in modern US media, I have been told something of interest by members of both central committees. What they both fear is not a low turnout, what they both fear is quite frankly a voter revolt. Meaning, the voters turn against the two party offerings and go third party.

It is in the water, disillusionment. And quite frankly, as a political reporter, I am betting that story will be written within a generation, if not earlier than that. People are talking heresy and looking for others now.

As to the Pom Poms, it's not me pushing the "we won" or "11th dimensional chess" crap. I am not doing that, but look at other people's responses. I am way too cynical to believe those are even appropriate outside of HS. OTOH some posters here bring those out constantly, in a cult like manner.

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to those giving Obama full credit for disarming Syria without violence, I would remind you... [View all] magical thyme Sep 2013 OP

disarmed? i'll bet he's still fighting and 'killing his own people' the good old fashioned way. KG Sep 2013 #1

The day the agreement was signed, Assad bombed Damascus. n/t n2doc Sep 2013 #78

Which is what the Syrians thought also, which is why they were ready to make a deal. DCBob Sep 2013 #2

the attack would have happened by labor day if the UK hadn't backed out magical thyme Sep 2013 #5

Yeah, but there would not have been a deal unless it was clear we were serious. DCBob Sep 2013 #8

we were serious. I wrote all my congress people about my red line. and I meant it. magical thyme Sep 2013 #12

So "go ahead Assad...use all the chemical weapons you like" ...."we won't interfere at all!" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #27

why are you attributing nonexistant quotes to my post? magical thyme Sep 2013 #32

quoting to show that I am not saying it... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #34

sorry, but I never even implied such a thing. magical thyme Sep 2013 #106

No it's NOT all in my head....you just cannot accept the conclusions of your policy... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #111

none of those would have resulted in Assad freely giving up his chemical weapons... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #36

Nonviolent? You wouldn't even know about Syrian CW if we hadn't fueled regime change & civil war. leveymg Sep 2013 #46

Assad wouldn't even admit that he had them... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #47

They would be irrelevant (except to Israel) had there not been rebels closing in on central Damascus leveymg Sep 2013 #48

Funny how these DU experts on Syria never posted anything about the country Generic Other Sep 2013 #51

I'm getting the feeling this is just an interlude before we pivot toward Iran. leveymg Sep 2013 #55

I gauge the war talk by observing my magazine subscriptions Generic Other Sep 2013 #57

The same poster told me to apologize to Kerry for something I never said. neverforget Sep 2013 #86

I am sure John Kerry is waiting up nights for your call,.... Vanje Sep 2013 #88

Being accused of saying something that you have not done is an asshole thing neverforget Sep 2013 #97

You don't know what was in the plan to disarm Syrians MCs, give us a break. Every idea was gone lumpy Sep 2013 #114

It's sad that you have to even.... dennis4868 Sep 2013 #161

What you say is true. former9thward Sep 2013 #3

I used the word "disarm" pretty loosely to fit in the headline...I meant disarm of chemical weapons magical thyme Sep 2013 #10

so instead of take the chance to move us even closer to 100% removal of chemical weapons.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #58

We are already a hypocrite. former9thward Sep 2013 #63

According to the article it has not been fully confirmed that the Syrian rebels used chemical lumpy Sep 2013 #121

I didn't say they have done nothing. former9thward Sep 2013 #147

Let's just say that a checked swing that results in the equivalent of a bunt single looks like... stevenleser Sep 2013 #4

Shhhhhh, it was all part of the plan LittleBlue Sep 2013 #6

Who really gives a rat's ass about Cameron's "embarrassment"? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #28

He was Obama's biggest foreign supporter on this LittleBlue Sep 2013 #41

Sooo? How do you know Cameron wasn't a sacrifice? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #44

Oh dear LittleBlue Sep 2013 #45

Gad, you're stuck in a chess game while a new game is on. lumpy Sep 2013 #126

Chess game......so old hat lumpy Sep 2013 #124

Absolutely, magical thyme. And, I think that this was a classic case of Th1onein Sep 2013 #7

Oh, pleeeeze, the civil war was going on well before Snowden was an thought in the NSA. Don't Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #11

Oh boy, I've heard it all. LOL lumpy Sep 2013 #130

We do not know if Putin and Obama discussed during the G20 Summit Meeting. Some wants to claim the Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #9

It's ODS to even have this thread treestar Sep 2013 #75

Pom Pom! Vanje Sep 2013 #90

I don't know what's wrong with giving a Democratic President treestar Sep 2013 #91

Being positive is a fine thing. Vanje Sep 2013 #94

It's not disagreement treestar Sep 2013 #98

Yep dennis4868 Sep 2013 #165

You have plenty of rights. n/t QC Sep 2013 #103

That's the way I remember it plus the UN inspectors were ordered to get out of Syria... Little Star Sep 2013 #13

Must. Not. Give. President. Credit. Skinner Sep 2013 #14

He gets partial credit. We *made* him do it. nt magical thyme Sep 2013 #15

Who is "we"? this is ODS in its finest form Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #100

we the people who wrote to congress 100:1 against a military strike, per to several congressmen magical thyme Sep 2013 #105

This is propaganda, you are feeding out of GOP feed trough. Do you think Obama did not Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #117

um, I'm fully capable of writing more than 1 email to my representatives. And since when is magical thyme Sep 2013 #153

Keep playing the 1% game, you will find you are not winning and will not win while playing Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #160

the 1% game is to attack Syria as the road to attacking Iran magical thyme Sep 2013 #163

You need to look at the big picture and not the parts which is flashy and catches your eye. If the Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #168

1. I consider war very much part of the big picture. 2. I can multitask. Get it? magical thyme Sep 2013 #170

Save your stamps on the Summers nomination. Vanje Sep 2013 #164

Just saw it! WOO - FREAKIN' - HOO!!!!!!!!!! magical thyme Sep 2013 #167

Is this "ODS" the latest BOG talking point? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #113

what they do not understand is Skittles Sep 2013 #123

That's "magical" thinking .. you didn't "make" President Obama do Cha Sep 2013 #133

Obama himself said that we must make him do...whatever. magical thyme Sep 2013 #151

The thing is President Obama wanted Assad to give up his chem weapons.. Cha Sep 2013 #155

I don't question that Obama put force on the table. magical thyme Sep 2013 #162

You have the timeline down Caretha Sep 2013 #187

I actually think Skinner's post had merit. He reads DU. nm Cha Sep 2013 #188

Is there a Caretha Sep 2013 #190

Its a good thing Vanje Sep 2013 #169

Even an ardent Obama supporter would have to admit there was a heaping dose of this: Marr Sep 2013 #17

Wrong. nt BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #29

So you think. lumpy Sep 2013 #135

Excellent cartoon. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #140

Thank you Skinner. nt BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #18

Ever. n/t Scurrilous Sep 2013 #19

Welcome to DU3...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #20

Bwahahaha!!! +1000 JoePhilly Sep 2013 #22

Cause we all know he is god nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #26

Cause we all know that he is not the devil BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #31

This *was* classic seat of pants diplomacy nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #35

In the less ProSense Sep 2013 #38

See these links about Kerry's history in Syria and with Assad BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #52

I am sorry nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #56

Talking about "pom poms" BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #66

The real big picture is that we are not as powerful as we think we are nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #82

"The real big picture is that we are not as powerful as we think we are" BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #95

Getting electorate out nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #99

"voters turn against the two party offerings and go third party. " BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #101

People are starting to speak granger revolt nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #107

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #129

You ProSense Sep 2013 #69

Assad didn't - it's assumable he did not want to give up his treestar Sep 2013 #77

Yes well stated lumpy Sep 2013 #137

that's what it takes to get any credit for what you do? treestar Sep 2013 #76

Must not...that would screw up their narrative that he is an "evil evil man" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #30

I noticed you used quotes there. Marr Sep 2013 #59

sometimes when you use quotes...it means someone else is saying it...not the person making the VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #60

Authors of fiction use quotes when writing dialog. Vanje Sep 2013 #62

the poster was engaging the way she wanted... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #131

for anything malaise Sep 2013 #39

Or Must Claim President Hires, Trains, Arms Al Qaeda, Aids & Comforts Enemy. nt DevonRex Sep 2013 #67

So, this is Obama Underground after all? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #194

"Had the UK voted for a military strike back on Aug. 30, the attack would have already taken place." ProSense Sep 2013 #16

Great post and 100000000000% true. demgrrrll Sep 2013 #21

Perfect response! JoePhilly Sep 2013 #24

He announced he'd seek congressional approval on Aug. 31, *after* the UK backed out unexpectedly magical thyme Sep 2013 #40

And like I said, ProSense Sep 2013 #42

+1 and that's why it is ODS, not a principled disagreement. nt treestar Sep 2013 #81

There are so many Assad protectors and Putin lovers around.. the anti-Obamas! Cha Sep 2013 #136

Hair-on-fire DU OPs stopped Obama from starting WWIII!!!!!! JoePhilly Sep 2013 #23

they really do think they are THAT influential don't they? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #33

That's how they maintain their personal sense of win-win JoePhilly Sep 2013 #50

^^^THIS!^^^ BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #54

They also made Obama end DADT. He was NEVER going to end it ... JoePhilly Sep 2013 #199

... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #89

Thread Killer. I would say you're the thread winner but why claim such a crappy prize? Number23 Sep 2013 #120

Hear hear! great white snark Sep 2013 #175

no. the people who wrote to and called their representatives 100:1 against military action magical thyme Sep 2013 #49

Of course people did BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #64

did you even read the post I was replying to? magical thyme Sep 2013 #104

Did you even consider what the poster was trying to say? BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #173

the poster said I wrote that DUers stopped the war by posting on DU. magical thyme Sep 2013 #174

No, the poster wrote about "OPs" BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #182

"Hair-on-fire DU OPs stopped Obama from starting WWIII!!!!!!" magical thyme Sep 2013 #189

LOL!!! DevonRex Sep 2013 #68

Obama reads DU daily to see what he should do treestar Sep 2013 #83

I never suggested DU stopped Obama magical thyme Sep 2013 #108

I don't see anyone thoughtfully giving him "full credit" bhikkhu Sep 2013 #25

errrrr...so much conjecture Sheepshank Sep 2013 #37

People can believe a conspiracy of nations demwing Sep 2013 #43

Do these skills to see the future extend to the lottery numbers? mythology Sep 2013 #53

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Vanje Sep 2013 #61

That comes ProSense Sep 2013 #65

+infinity BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #70

Good explanation treestar Sep 2013 #85

President Obama's Lucky Score Card.. so far. Cha Sep 2013 #141

DU never disappoints iandhr Sep 2013 #71

There would have never been a diplomatic deal... iandhr Sep 2013 #72

I don't see why it's hard for Democrats to give credit to Democrats treestar Sep 2013 #73

There's reality, and then there's "Obama is superman" spin. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #74

President Obama isn't "superman." Did he achieve his objective with Syria? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #80

oh FFS the POTUS listened to the will of the American people azurnoir Sep 2013 #96

Spare me the outrage. ProSense Sep 2013 #102

No outrage just facts azurnoir Sep 2013 #186

keep hating heaven05 Sep 2013 #79

Exactly. obxhead Sep 2013 #84

THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2013 #87

"..it may be that they had planned that from day 1, but if you believe that..." cheapdate Sep 2013 #92

okay, great. how does the vote in parliament play into this? frylock Sep 2013 #109

Most likely as the OP suggested it would have. cheapdate Sep 2013 #115

so then, obviously, this whole episode wasn't scripted as is being pushed by the bog. frylock Sep 2013 #116

Maybe so maybe not. Impossible to say for certain. Likely not, as I said, but possibly so. cheapdate Sep 2013 #118

I keep reading this on DU Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #93

early reporting... magical thyme Sep 2013 #138

I asked for proof Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #144

"There was no debate at the Saturday meeting that a military response is necessary." magical thyme Sep 2013 #148

This proves nothing of what you stated. Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #152

I think if the UK had voted yes, we'd have attacked by now. magical thyme Sep 2013 #156

So now you 'think' if the UK Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #171

opinion was always implied. magical thyme Sep 2013 #172

"to those giving Obama full credit for disarming Syria without violence ... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #179

score one for the grammar police. magical thyme Sep 2013 #181

Stating something as a fact Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #183

Taking a different view polynomial Sep 2013 #110

This is preposterous, it would've taken weeks to move military assets. joshcryer Sep 2013 #112

destroyers for cruise missile attack were moved into place very early on. magical thyme Sep 2013 #143

nothing happens without Nimitz joshcryer Sep 2013 #157

We did all this and more ten years ago. mattclearing Sep 2013 #119

I distinctly remember my shock 10 years ago when 80% of Americans favored attacking Iraq magical thyme Sep 2013 #145

You can't have it both ways. LaydeeBug Sep 2013 #122

it was both the disdain of the Brits and the American people Skittles Sep 2013 #125

It was the superb playing of the hand he was dealt by this Administration, led by the PRESIDENT LaydeeBug Sep 2013 #127

uh huh Skittles Sep 2013 #128

you know it LaydeeBug Sep 2013 #132

Do you seriously believe Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #196

Um, after the UK backed out, Obama said he would go it alone magical thyme Sep 2013 #150

I see where you got the word MAGICAL from Skittles Sep 2013 #197

It doesn't matter. kentuck Sep 2013 #134

Which proves that some leadership always has preplanned options up it's sleeve. lumpy Sep 2013 #149

Syria's chemical weapons fadedrose Sep 2013 #139

I think your analysis is solid, faderose. Cha Sep 2013 #146

Thank you, but I forgot the photo of the Pres & Putin fadedrose Sep 2013 #195

That jump starts the imagination.. Cha Sep 2013 #198

K&R Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #142

You could have shortened this Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #154

Shorter still: NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #158

... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #191

+100 JoePhilly Sep 2013 #200

I know this is an anti Obama website dennis4868 Sep 2013 #159

This is an Obama hate site? Th1onein Sep 2013 #178

All you have to do is look at the front page. nt BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #184

You never loved Obama bigwillq Sep 2013 #166

Or facts. great white snark Sep 2013 #177

. ProSense Sep 2013 #180

.... bigwillq Sep 2013 #185

Is that right, now? Th1onein Sep 2013 #193

Pure speculation. No one except Obama and Kerry actually know what went on or what the plans OregonBlue Sep 2013 #176

Um, no. gulliver Sep 2013 #192

Also, I don't distinguish customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #201