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88. you mean the gilded age?

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Sun Dec 18, 2011, 02:02 PM

Dec 2011

it was golden for the robber barons, but not for many of the people.

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My son, whose first-ever vote was for Obama, now thinks Ron Paul looks better. [View all] Atman Dec 2011 OP

I won't dismiss anyone's disenchantment with Obama etherealtruth Dec 2011 #1

I think Paul really does represent "change" to many. Atman Dec 2011 #4

I agree that at first glance Ron Paul can seem attractive etherealtruth Dec 2011 #10

Me too. Eddie Haskell Dec 2011 #69

Even if one of those labels were true it would be... Tikki Dec 2011 #120

well let the privatized corporatocracy begin newspeak Dec 2011 #87

As I said, he's a smart kid. I've no doubt he'll regain his sanity. Atman Dec 2011 #96

More than likely he will etherealtruth Dec 2011 #101

Many don't... ellisonz Dec 2011 #116

Believe me, he's not a "Paulite." Atman Dec 2011 #137

Good luck, Atman. ellisonz Dec 2011 #165

Same with two of my nephews Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #173

Look at Ron Paul's voting record. Share with everyone. Zalatix Dec 2011 #167

Thank you, cool website. [nt] Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #190

Just let him know that Paul is a RACIST. That should change his mind. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #172

Show him this Thread/video--Ron Paul to end student loans!! Rectangle Dec 2011 #223

I don't think this post was intended for me? etherealtruth Dec 2011 #224

That's what Obama gets for being a centrist. SmellyFeet Dec 2011 #2

No, that's what the country gets for having people with no critical thinking skills frazzled Dec 2011 #19

Calling young people canoeist52 Dec 2011 #35

Now, see, you've proved my point frazzled Dec 2011 #46

Why do I get the sense pscot Dec 2011 #111

K&R... stonecutter357 Dec 2011 #152

Way too harsh and insulting! Quantess Dec 2011 #70

Interesting Statements ElboRuum Dec 2011 #118

Please note I'm not saying anything positive about Ron Paul, at all. Quantess Dec 2011 #160

Yes, I think I can understand why they say that... ElboRuum Dec 2011 #166

I've seen plenty who wouldn't touch Paul wih an 89 and a 1/2 foot pole that TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #84

Obama ran on "CHANGE", and donned the mantle of a Progressive during the campaign. NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #168

He said it would be hard and would not come easily frazzled Dec 2011 #180

I don't know.. sendero Dec 2011 #194

Ron Paul is great for civil liberties. For economics not so much. Sirveri Dec 2011 #3

Ron Paul is great for a very limited set of civil liberties only (like coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #29

He's great unless you're a minority, a child, sick, injured... Johonny Dec 2011 #36

I would go further and classify Paul as a 'reactionary' (not a 'conservative'). He wants coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #53

you mean the gilded age? newspeak Dec 2011 #88

Good point. It's why I said "supposed 'Golden Age'", to coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #105

+1 JDPriestly Dec 2011 #138

Other than choice he's fairly consistent. Sirveri Dec 2011 #40

Except for the civil liberties of those "animal" blacks and "disease-ridden" gays. * MADem Dec 2011 #110

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #5

Surprising 41mag Dec 2011 #64

It is exactly what he is. kath Dec 2011 #128

Finally a response that makes sense. CrispyQ Dec 2011 #68

And the most important lesson of all this woo me with science Dec 2011 #149

He's also gaining support from those who would vote Republican who are gateley Dec 2011 #213

Very good point. woo me with science Dec 2011 #219

You are not alone, Atman. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #6

Paul has got a huge pass on "Education, Minority Rights, Social Safety Net" because Dems have ceded bettyellen Dec 2011 #73

Re: Social Safety Net, we *have* one. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #83

it, like civil rights and education has been eroding steadily and is under attack. bettyellen Dec 2011 #90

yeah, well he's no friend to women newspeak Dec 2011 #89

I'm around a lot of young people thatgemguy Dec 2011 #7

Since 1980, all we've been told is that government is bad, unions are bad, regulation is bad, CrispyQ Dec 2011 #74

Get a clue, all, part of this is about Legalization. Libertarians, rank and file, feel discriminated patrice Dec 2011 #145

There's A Lot Of Talk About Him At Our Occupy Meetings... ChiciB1 Dec 2011 #159

Or do some young people coming of age during recession just have a bad impression of government? alp227 Dec 2011 #183

Hmm, A few years ago I Used to think so too-on the surface fredamae Dec 2011 #8

No, I hate to say it ... frazzled Dec 2011 #9

Oh, so the kids are stupid now, huh? DerekG Dec 2011 #12

'bullshit health-care bills' ? geckosfeet Dec 2011 #37

HCR was a winner for insurance companies (and Newt). MrTriumph Dec 2011 #65

Comparatively little? Tell it to my son. Atman Dec 2011 #77

The ACA made HR 676 possible & that's what a good deal of the Obama-hate is about. patrice Dec 2011 #148

Funny how it doesn't take long for the new posters true feelings to come out. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #81

I believe you replied to the wrong post. If not, please elaborate. geckosfeet Dec 2011 #86

I'm a UAW retiree, and I wouldn't have a pension if not for that Obama "bailout". JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #123

Santorum must've thought "No more abortion for sluts even though my own wife lived BECAUSE of one." alp227 Dec 2011 #184

We're talking about Ron Paul frazzled Dec 2011 #150

If you actually knew my son, you wouldn't be so insulting. Atman Dec 2011 #16

I didn't say he was a moron: I said he was young frazzled Dec 2011 #20

you said feeble thinking, listens to blather. And, yes it was insulting. bettyellen Dec 2011 #76

get the money out of politics. stonecutter357 Dec 2011 #155

A lot of what he says we can agree with - like NO WAR, but his reasons gateley Dec 2011 #214

Right, us kids are all a bunch of morons! Odin2005 Dec 2011 #18

How could someone reasonably support both OWS and Ron Paul? Orangepeel Dec 2011 #98

Blaming the electorate is the political form of Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #79

Re Feeble thinking SOS Dec 2011 #121

No, they were thinking feebly when they voted ... frazzled Dec 2011 #122

"immediate uptopia" Charronxyz Dec 2011 #161

LOLOLOLOL Skittles Dec 2011 #182

So if they're feeble-minded and subject to propaganda, why did they vote for Obama last time? Doctor_J Dec 2011 #205

That was precisely my point frazzled Dec 2011 #210

"Why progressives should not support Ron Paul" Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #11

Your son thinks political change is instantaneous, or should be. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #13

Ultimately, I think he'll come around. Atman Dec 2011 #21

You misunderstood the 'smoke dope' part, I was generalizing about Paul's appeal to those who only Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #33

I finally talked son out of Paul. tsuki Dec 2011 #14

Tell him to put down the Doobie. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #15

+1 Inspired Dec 2011 #174

Perhaps your son is libertarian rather than liberal. There is a difference. Jennicut Dec 2011 #17

he has certain big things right, and is the only one SixthSense Dec 2011 #22

The Federal Reserve is a big thing for my daughter as well. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #59

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You are not alone. I'm having the same conversation with my son. mainer Dec 2011 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #24

Could it be your son is just not that well-informed? Tell him Paul's position on Civil Rights. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #25

Just tell him that voting for herpes is better than voting for syphillis or gonnorrhea... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #26

I would prefer an easily treatable bacterial infection over a permanent recurring viral one Edweird Dec 2011 #51

I'm thinking your son is actually a libertarian. boxman15 Dec 2011 #27

Many young people are indeed libertarians. mainer Dec 2011 #44

do you think young people are libertarians out of a rebellious attitude from adolescence? alp227 Dec 2011 #185

He should take a good thorough look at Paul's career and convictions mulsh Dec 2011 #28

It's the military spending already! Ron Paul is saying what the Dems should be shouting think Dec 2011 #30

Ron Paul speaks but he does not act. He votes with the rethugs most of the time. He also will not jwirr Dec 2011 #34

Ron Paul voted against the Iraq war unlike many DEMs. That alone speaks volumes think Dec 2011 #48

Technicality, but Congress never did 'declare war' on Iraq. Obama also spoke out coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #55

I voted for Obama and will again. And yes I do respect that Obama spoke out against the war think Dec 2011 #60

Most of the people who support Paul - especially the young, like my grandson are still hooked to jwirr Dec 2011 #31

That's sort of the problem with a sample size of 1. dems_rightnow Dec 2011 #39

Granted you are probably right. jwirr Dec 2011 #42

Try the "stopped clock is right twice a day metaphor" and take him thru all of Paul's positions emulatorloo Dec 2011 #32

In Paul's ideal world, everyone is responsable only to themselves. baldguy Dec 2011 #38

Well, Ron Paul Won't Win GOP Nomination otohara Dec 2011 #41

Paul is pure nuts Monty22001 Dec 2011 #43

Ron Paul is insane jimlup Dec 2011 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Atman Dec 2011 #47

I think it might also have to do with the fact BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #49

Same situation with my 21 year old daughter B2G Dec 2011 #50

Ron Paul would take away your daughter's right to choose. Is she coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #57

Believe me, we are having those conversations B2G Dec 2011 #61

Your daughter needs to be reminded of how Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #72

Interesting dilema, as perhaps some in here like Ron Paul and just can't say so ... Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #52

I'd much rather meet Alan Grayson than Ron Paul but I still respect RP for think Dec 2011 #54

I am a former Democrat who adores George McGovern, Wayne Morse, and misses aspects of being Democrat Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #62

Bottom line to Paul is that he has abetted every GOP move toward fascism even as he blm Dec 2011 #56

I don't think you would be speaking quite so dismissively of Paul coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #66

that is SO not the point...I distinctly said the 'bottom line' with Paul is that he has supported blm Dec 2011 #85

Please don't get me wrong, I'm no big fan of Paul's and actually coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #104

I get that, but, just because he CAN say something that makes sense, doesn't mean he deserves a pass blm Dec 2011 #106

Fair enough. I tend to think of Paul as that 'crazy uncle' every family (even the Repukes) has coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #108

They'll run a GOP made man and call him an 'Independent' knowing the mood next year blm Dec 2011 #131

Not many would go from Obama to a racist POS like Ron Paul. DevonRex Dec 2011 #58

I've looked at that claim, and I respectfully disagree with you that he is racist or homophobic Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #63

Do check the link I have offered elsewhere in this thread. nt MADem Dec 2011 #130

I'll look, however I have done extensive reading in Dr. Paul Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #139

Present the evidence. If you can't, you'll forgive me if I suspect you have an agenda here. MADem Dec 2011 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author freshstart Dec 2011 #221

here you go; dionysus Dec 2011 #156

I count five in this thread who have had this conversation with their child or grandchild. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #71

We've discussed Paul, but thankfully DevonRex Dec 2011 #75

yeah, what's up with Ron Paul Underground today? dionysus Dec 2011 #153

Had a friend who went from a completely normal kid into a Jesus freak right before my eyes once NNN0LHI Dec 2011 #67

"turned off and disgusted" TBF Dec 2011 #78

Here is a link: PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #80

Tell him to read this, Krugman takes Ron Paul to task BootinUp Dec 2011 #82

very good article. Thanks for posting Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #94

Point out that Ron Paul is rabidly anti-abortion and ask him if kestrel91316 Dec 2011 #91

Pauls group answers(Nation) for the Present/Future....frankly... SUCKs....numbers of his are bad opihimoimoi Dec 2011 #92

Paul tells his own truth and avoids politician The Second Stone Dec 2011 #93

Ron Paul looks great right now because he's NOT president. tranche Dec 2011 #95

I can certainly see how a young person could be mesmerized by Ron Paul Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #97

His antiwar stance drew me in... Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #102

Listening to everything else he said was not a mistake. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #103

I was once an avid Ron Paul supporter... and now I quote Marx and Lenin. nt Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #99

Ron Paul Threads on DU unionworks Dec 2011 #100

+1 dionysus Dec 2011 #157

Under Ron Paul your son can say goodbye to his Social Security, his Medicare, his National Parks, RBInMaine Dec 2011 #107

Your son perhaps thinks that crazy racist is going to legalize weed. Everything else is just window MADem Dec 2011 #109

Not surprised nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #112

Ron Paul = Libertarian = Anarchist mckara Dec 2011 #113

This is one person treestar Dec 2011 #114

I love this response nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #117

tell him there's a guy on the corner screaming that he's a thief and traitor and so is his father certainot Dec 2011 #115

Excellent post. Obama has lead with concensus. That is the job of the president of a democracy. The Wielding Truth Dec 2011 #126

I wouldn't want to live in a Ron Paul utopia where if you don't work, you don't eat. JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #119

Give this 1996 link to your son Onlooker Dec 2011 #124

Ron Paul Is Never Going to Get The Nomination Yavin4 Dec 2011 #125

And that is why we have political campaigns grantcart Dec 2011 #127

7-2 Conservative SCOTUS lobodons Dec 2011 #129

Your son needs just look into Paul's opinions about student loans and debt. boppers Dec 2011 #132

Atman, I feel your pain. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #133

The Constitution must GO! donttazemebro Dec 2011 #134

Bullshit Estevan Dec 2011 #136

Here you go..Obama says Constitution is a flawed document donttazemebro Dec 2011 #141

There is NOTHING there that says Estevan Dec 2011 #144

Thanks for dropping by. Recess is over so you will have to go back now. grantcart Dec 2011 #212

... Ian David Dec 2011 #211

You don't have a problem with the incorporation of legal slavery in the Constitution eridani Dec 2011 #220

Tell your son Estevan Dec 2011 #135

I've been saying this since 2008--that we're losing very good people to the Ron Paul types. Puregonzo1188 Dec 2011 #140

Ron Paul Supporters may be terrorist donttazemebro Dec 2011 #142

You've already shown yourself Estevan Dec 2011 #146

It might be too late for a "time out" quaker bill Dec 2011 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Dec 2011 #151

sure, I mean whats the worst that can happen BootinUp Dec 2011 #170

I seriously hope that you can get through to your son The Genealogist Dec 2011 #158

Ron Paul sat back and did nothing when his own SemperEadem Dec 2011 #162

Obviously doesnt know how to vote then. johncoby2 Dec 2011 #163

Paul says let them die if they can't afford insurance. Take away their benefits and let them die ! urbuddha Dec 2011 #164

your son should look broader picture and really analyze what would change under a ron paul La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #169

What does your son think of Jon Huntsman? melonkali Dec 2011 #171

There seems to be a lot of older people talking about younger people in this thread. totodeinhere Dec 2011 #175

Interesting subject for discussion. This is worth it's own post. canoeist52 Dec 2011 #177

I dug up a bunch of stuff on Ron Paul. freshstart Dec 2011 #176

I hope he is not walerosco Dec 2011 #178

Paul wants to make all drug use legal, so kids see his as the cool old guy. nt Kahuna Dec 2011 #179

Gingrich wants poor kids to work, Palestinians to be treated abelenkpe Dec 2011 #181

don't despair DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #186

they already can and do gut the minimum wage SixthSense Dec 2011 #188

Or that he was part of an unelected "shadow cabinet" freshstart Dec 2011 #203

Does your son have positions on free trade, reproductive rights, the Civil Rights Act, alp227 Dec 2011 #187

Ron Paul says here that corporations freshstart Dec 2011 #201

Excellent! Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #189

Support for Ron Paul is not a sign of maturity Scootaloo Dec 2011 #199

I don't believe the OP indicated that his son was supporting Ron Paul Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #216

I don't imagine overturning Roe v. Wade will be much of a problem JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #191

my 23 yo daughter? the same....... her gang feels abandoned politically. right or wrong that piratefish08 Dec 2011 #192

I'm sorry to say. You're daughter is not a critical thinker and may be racist. vaberella Dec 2011 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author Romulox Dec 2011 #207

Aw geez...I just encountered the same thing with an early Obama supporter on a phone bank call. whathehell Dec 2011 #193

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With respect, it's not Obama's fault that your son now supports the joke that is Ron Paul. jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #197

Did he quit baseball when he didn't knock it out of the park on his very first swing? Scootaloo Dec 2011 #198

I can understand disenchantment but rosesaylavee Dec 2011 #200

Ditto for my son. Registered to vote, worked Obamas campaign, etc. Now Ron Paulite. peacebird Dec 2011 #202

I think that Ron Paul is genuine and honest, which is a big part of this appeal. He says what he spicegal Dec 2011 #204

He says what others dare not say and this adds to his appeal as well. Military spending is bleeding think Dec 2011 #209

Maybe because some don't want a racist, anti-choice xenopobe to have any legitmacy at all? Jennicut Dec 2011 #217

Here is an essay that I wrote about Ron Paul a few years ago LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #206

Your son needs to be allowed to make his own choice. Myrina Dec 2011 #208

Liars and the lies they do...... my son introduced me to the movie the matrix Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #215

BREAKING: Dinner conversion with son regarding Ron Paul. Atman Dec 2011 #218

I know this may sound strange but proud patriot Dec 2011 #222