Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)

niyad

(132,293 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:42 PM Sep 2013

belatedly, ANOTHER 11 september event--the mormon mountain meadow massacre [View all]

(with everything going on in this state this week, had nearly forgotten this 11 september event)

Mountain Meadows massacre
Location: Mountain Meadows, Utah Territory, United States
Date: September 7–11, 1857
Fatalities: 100–140 members of the Baker–Fancher wagon train
Injuries: Around 17
Perpetrators: Utah Territorial Militia (Iron County district), Paiute Native American auxiliaries
Weapons: Guns, Bowie knives



The Mountain Meadows massacre was a series of attacks on the Baker–Fancher emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows in southern Utah. The attacks culminated on September 11, 1857, with the mass slaughter of most in the emigrant party by members of the Utah Territorial Militia from the Iron County district, together with some Paiute Native Americans.

The wagon train—composed almost entirely of families from Arkansas—was bound for California on a route that passed through the Utah Territory during a turbulent time period, later known as the Utah War. After arriving in Salt Lake City, the Baker–Fancher party made their way south, eventually stopping to rest at Mountain Meadows. While the emigrants were camped at the meadow, nearby militia leaders, including Isaac C. Haight and John D. Lee, made plans to attack the wagon train.

The militia, officially called the Nauvoo Legion, was composed of Utah's Mormon settlers (members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS Church). Intending to give the appearance of Native American aggression, their plan was to arm some Southern Paiute Native Americans and persuade them to join with a larger party of their own militiamen—disguised as Native Americans—in an attack. During the militia's first assault on the wagon train, the emigrants fought back and a five-day siege ensued. Eventually fear spread among the militia's leaders that some emigrants had caught sight of white men, and had likely discovered the identity of their attackers. As a result militia commander William H. Dame ordered his forces to kill the emigrants.

By this time the emigrants were running low on water and provisions, and allowed some approaching members of the militia—who carried a white flag—to enter their camp. The militia members assured the emigrants their protection and escorted them from the hasty fortification. After walking a distance from the camp, the militiamen, with the help of auxiliary forces hiding nearby, attacked the emigrants. Intending to leave no witnesses and to prevent reprisals to complicate the Utah War, the perpetrators killed all the adults and older children (totaling about 120 men, women, and children). Seventeen children, all younger than seven, were spared.

Following the massacre, the perpetrators hastily buried the victims, leaving the bodies vulnerable to wild animals and the climate. Local families took in the surviving children, and many of the victims' possessions were auctioned off. Investigations, temporarily interrupted by the American Civil War, resulted in nine indictments during 1874. Of the men indicted, only John D. Lee was tried in a court of law. After two trials in the Utah Territory, Lee was convicted by a jury, sentenced to death, and executed.

Today historians attribute the massacre to a combination of factors, including war hysteria about possible invasion of Mormon territory, and hyperbolic Mormon teachings against outsiders which were part of the excesses of the Mormon Reformation period. Scholars debate whether senior Mormon leadership, including Brigham Young, directly instigated the massacre or if responsibility lay with the local leaders in southern Utah.

. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

37 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The Danites, led by my g-g-g-grandfather, probably actually did it. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #1
did you see the movie about the massacre, called "september dawn"? I tried watching it, but niyad Sep 2013 #3
Yes, I did. It's especially chilling, knowing what I know. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #7
not exactly the sort of ancestor of whom one is proud. the small amount of research I have done niyad Sep 2013 #10
Actually, he was a very interesting person when not murdering for the church. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #11
Very interesting BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #13
He's famous. He published his autobiography in the 1800s. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #17
Thanks for the link BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #18
He was Chief of the Danites, and answered only to Joe Smith and Brigham Young. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #29
a most interesting person indeed. and yes, one does wonder-- he really was brave then. niyad Sep 2013 #14
have you heard about this new show? niyad Sep 2013 #16
Nobody ever likes to talk about the excess males that don't fit into this system. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #28
From the web page, "Your Heroes Are Not Our Heroes." www.brotherhooddays.com mikekohr Sep 2013 #2
thank you for this excellent information niyad Sep 2013 #4
This event was pointed out to my RW friends when Romney was running for president Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #5
I got a lot of flack when I pointed this event out to the reichwingnutjobs here. niyad Sep 2013 #6
Actually I did not get a good response either but it gave Romney a knock. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #8
I occasionally encounter a woman who still wears an rmoney/ryan button on her jacket. she lives niyad Sep 2013 #9
Would you think she might be a part of the 47%? Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #12
. . . niyad Sep 2013 #15
This is certainly well worth discussing, less anybody accidentally trust any of those hated Mormons el_bryanto Sep 2013 #19
Every faith has to confront the ugliness of its past. Lutherans have to deal geek tragedy Sep 2013 #21
Yep - and this is the perfect place to do it. el_bryanto Sep 2013 #23
I never miss an opportunity to bash Martin Luther, as you can read. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #24
Why not? I mean the people who committed the Mountain Meadows Massacre had a set of beliefs el_bryanto Sep 2013 #25
Nationalism, tribalism, ethnocentrism, and religious fanaticism are hardly geek tragedy Sep 2013 #26
Yes, I am descended from Baptists who twisted their religion csziggy Sep 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #31
how sad CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #27
actually, it is well worth discussing, for many reasons. you will notice that this thread was about niyad Sep 2013 #32
What aspects of it are well worth discussing and applicable in our modern era? nt el_bryanto Sep 2013 #34
~~30~~ niyad Sep 2013 #36
Well if that's the point - that I should abandon Mormonism - and that's why this issue needs to be el_bryanto Sep 2013 #37
Brigham Young was the Yasser Arafat of American history. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #20
i thought there was a good account of this in "Under the Banner of Heaven" Scout Sep 2013 #22
thank you. couldn't think of the name of the book. niyad Sep 2013 #33
. . . niyad Sep 2013 #35
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»belatedly, ANOTHER 11 sep...