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wercal

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57. I have no doubt a North Korean attack would lead us to bombing them
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:13 AM
Sep 2013

...but I see no scenario where we would strike back with a nuclear weapon.

Mutually Assured Destruction worked because the Soviets knew they were an existential threat. They had the capacity to annihilate most of our major cities in a matter of hours...therefore they knew that even the launch (not even the impact) of one nuclear missile would bring massive retaliation.

North Korea is not an existential threat to the US. We would not respond moments after their launch with a devastating missile strike...we would launch a few air strikes. But even if we did have the mindset of nuclear retaliation...the leader of North Korea does not care. MAD presumes the leaders of both sides are sane, and don't want nuclear war. Unfortunately, North Korea doesn't fall into that category.

There is a discussion to be had about how effective star wars is...but we are a few decades out of the MAD scenario, and to depend on it as the ultimate defense is a head in sand mentality, IMHO.

As far as profit goes....the slogan for war profiteers should be 'food and fuel'. If troops are on the ground, they need both of these every day - at a substantial markup of course. That's where the money is. We aren't going to launch a nuclear strike for profit...we probably can't afford to replace any missiles that are fired anyway....and its a one time thing. No the big money is in sending carrier groups to linger all around the world, and building up 'green zones' in Iraq and Afghanistan. More troops equals more cash flow - and the duration can be measured in decades. So I don't think profit motive would lead to a nuclear retaliation, and is somehow embedded in a new MAD paradigm.

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and people think... Takket Sep 2013 #1
Pretty obvious, isn't, to anyone with more than half a brain. pangaia Sep 2013 #22
Are you saying that the US does not need any missiles anymore? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #2
I'm saying we don't need more missiles. cali Sep 2013 #3
The US doesn't need sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #7
Well, that's not entirely true Stargazer09 Sep 2013 #31
We already possess sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #38
Other countries are building their arsenals to defend against us,US. RC Sep 2013 #44
"Other countries are building their arsenals to defend against us,US." NCTraveler Sep 2013 #63
You do not get out much, do you? RC Sep 2013 #65
Get out often thank you. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #66
It depends on whether they have something we want. RC Sep 2013 #67
I am aware of all of that. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #68
No change from the original claim. It all fits together. RC Sep 2013 #69
I believe we have enough missiles already. dballance Sep 2013 #26
Missile bases aren't anything new in VT. On my way to St Albans... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #4
Unfortunately, Sen. Leahy is a big supporter of buying and basing F-35s in Burlington. n/t unhappycamper Sep 2013 #5
Nobody's going to shoot at us with an ICBM. rrneck Sep 2013 #6
I wouldn't be so certain Stargazer09 Sep 2013 #32
MAD worked in the twentieth century, it will work now. rrneck Sep 2013 #37
I don't think MAD comes into play wercal Sep 2013 #52
The logic is the same. rrneck Sep 2013 #54
I just don't see us nuking North Korea wercal Sep 2013 #55
When they knocked down the WTC the jingoism was palpaple rrneck Sep 2013 #56
I have no doubt a North Korean attack would lead us to bombing them wercal Sep 2013 #57
North Korea is not an extential threat, rrneck Sep 2013 #58
Well we disagree wercal Sep 2013 #59
It's okay to disagree. rrneck Sep 2013 #62
But the filthy rich must get filthier. It's the most important thing in the world. nt valerief Sep 2013 #8
Where should they be? treestar Sep 2013 #9
In a grave unhappycamper Sep 2013 #12
I can't speak for cali... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #13
Do you really think we can do without missile defense? treestar Sep 2013 #45
Your question was a non sequitur... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #46
Well then if the issue is where, why not Vermont? treestar Sep 2013 #47
Are you really that dense? ljm2002 Sep 2013 #48
Pick which it is treestar Sep 2013 #49
Up Raytheon's ass? L0oniX Sep 2013 #21
they shouldn't be anywhere. cali Sep 2013 #60
that's absurd. We have to have missile defense treestar Sep 2013 #61
military mtasselin Sep 2013 #10
Well, given the type of missiles you mentioned, MineralMan Sep 2013 #11
Put the Interceptors next to the Alberta Tar Sands. n/t formercia Sep 2013 #15
Well, that's in Canada, not the USA. MineralMan Sep 2013 #16
Sure it will. Why not? :>) pangaia Sep 2013 #27
Agreed Stargazer09 Sep 2013 #33
Well, I think the ICBM threat is steadily diminishing, MineralMan Sep 2013 #35
I live in Maine and wonder why our State wasn't chosen. formercia Sep 2013 #14
True. Maine would be even more appropriate. MineralMan Sep 2013 #18
I agree. Maine is much more of a threat ....to Canada. L0oniX Sep 2013 #20
There is some question about whether Canada actually exists. MineralMan Sep 2013 #23
Canada does in fact exist. pangaia Sep 2013 #39
Maine is being considered. Clown is Down Sep 2013 #24
Ah, OK. I guess this is still in the early planning stages. MineralMan Sep 2013 #25
according to the story... Clown is Down Sep 2013 #34
Thanks. I'll go have a look. MineralMan Sep 2013 #36
Because of the maple syrup, I expect. pangaia Sep 2013 #28
Here in Minnesota, the maple syrup industry would MineralMan Sep 2013 #30
Sorry you had such a bad year. pangaia Sep 2013 #40
It has to be built . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #17
I agree, 100%. pangaia Sep 2013 #29
Breaking: Canada threatens to counter US agression with nuke missile base in Nova Scotia. L0oniX Sep 2013 #19
The attraction is people see this and think JOBS! Clown is Down Sep 2013 #41
Same shit, different decade... Thor_MN Sep 2013 #42
There's an old Nike missile base down the road from me NickB79 Sep 2013 #43
Why Vermont? TomClash Sep 2013 #50
No kidding gopiscrap Sep 2013 #51
Military Base Old Troop Sep 2013 #53
I don't know..."Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle" is pretty badazz. Good name for a band! didact Sep 2013 #64
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