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Ms. Toad

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283. Correct - but the same was true (and worse)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:29 AM

Sep 2013

before the ACA, because the unaffordable cost before ACA was (just for premiums $1,500-$1800 for people with pre-existing conditions).

The ACA has not created the lack of access to health care for the poor and working classs - even though there is just a portion of the working class and a portion of the poor (in states which are refusing to expand Medicaid) for which it has not made it better. But there is a much larger body of poor and working class for whom it is making health care accessible for the first time ever.

My point is - don't blame the ACA for not completely healing a body (the health care system), which has been broken by decades of trucks running over it (the nearly completely unregulated insurance system). The ACA at least provides crossing guards and emergency care. And that's a lot better than continuing to send trucks through the intersection and ignoring the broken and bleeding body they are running over.

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My experience with Universal health Care [View all] Diclotican Sep 2013 OP

Thank you. And your grammar and spelling are better than that of many posters. Squinch Sep 2013 #1

Because Obama! the US has come up with a 'uniquely american' solution. KG Sep 2013 #2

Social Security = we're all forced to pay into a retirement security Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #9

quality coverage at an affordable cost KG Sep 2013 #12

Honest question: why the hilarity? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #16

please. ACA is nothing even remotely like SS or fire depts. KG Sep 2013 #18

Their profits are regulated, the premiums have to be approved, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #22

You mean, Their Profits are NOW Guaranteed! bvar22 Sep 2013 #99

Well, before the ACA they could politely turn down a cancer patient who applied for insurance. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #131

But NOW, thanks to the ACA, RICH People who can aford the pricy "Buy In"... bvar22 Sep 2013 #145

I guess you're not familiar with the ACA premium subsidies (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #150

That only applies to those who qualify to go on the exchanges... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #177

There are income limits to who qualifies for a subsidy. dflprincess Sep 2013 #239

One thing to bear in mind is that preventive care is free, regardless of the deductible. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #242

Preventive care doesn't do you any good if you can't afford any follow up you may need. dflprincess Sep 2013 #252

In-network lab service on a CT silver plan has a $30 copay. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #255

Yes -"a transfer of billions in public and private money into the pockets of ...crooks" bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #274

Here's the flexibility that the ACA offers. roamer65 Sep 2013 #181

As far as I'm aware of, you are disqualified from the exchanges if the plans... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #196

A lot of employers are going to drop their plans IMO. roamer65 Sep 2013 #227

So you would prefer $15,000 a month you can't pay to $300 a month you can't pay? Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #235

If one doesn NOT have the the $300/month in disposable income, bvar22 Sep 2013 #282

Correct - but the same was true (and worse) Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #283

exactly (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #273

Because we have been sold a bill of goods. RC Sep 2013 #27

If you really don't understand how "more coverage" leads to "better health care" Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #32

Coverage is not health care. RC Sep 2013 #38

see, it always goes back to hating obama. KG Sep 2013 #100

Yep, that hate cause me to enthusiastically vote for him the first time & reluctantly the 2nd time. RC Sep 2013 #118

One part of Obamacare... Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #199

Guaranteed PROFITS for Corporations that are SUPPOSED.... bvar22 Sep 2013 #208

per Bernie there were < 10 votes in the senate for single payer, it;s sad, but bark up a dionysus Sep 2013 #238

Single Payer wasn't even allowed on the table. RC Sep 2013 #244

i know.we're not really disageeing. it wasn't on the table because it didn't have support even in dionysus Sep 2013 #293

It's a first step adieu Sep 2013 #111

President Obama had 60 Democrats in the Senate and a Democratic House. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #130

You still choose plan A B or C, depending what you can afford. Could you afford 30% of hospital care SugarShack Sep 2013 #63

In CT, under an Obamacare Silver plan, for a hospital stay, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #67

$500 per day copay? Kermitt Gribble Sep 2013 #179

I'm not sure how I said it "like it is spare change". Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #185

I thought the annual out of pocket limits and lifetime limits have been suspended for a year... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #203

You have to meet the deductible first, which means a maximum of 5000 dollars for first admission... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #210

I'm pretty sure that if you stay in network it's only the copay. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #212

Follow the asterisks in your posts about the plan information you are given... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #215

Remember - there is an out of pocket maximum per year. Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #284

That's at least 3 months pay, combined income, I guess we aren't supposed to pay for rent or food. Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #288

They are less screwed than before the ACA Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #291

No, I don't qualify for subsidies or cost sharing, my work offers insurance... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #292

Well - if your insurance is crappy enough Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #294

ah yes: Institutionalized inequality - Platinum people and Bronze people bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #275

Unless you're in a union... Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #258

Tell us why you think expanded Medicaid and subsidies up to 400% of FPL tabasco Sep 2013 #19

Not everyone is getting expanded medicaid BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #91

+++++++++++++ (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #272

And SS, disablity, Fire departments are all for-profit too! progressoid Sep 2013 #30

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #34

You really don't see the difference edhopper Sep 2013 #43

Bravo!! Jerry442 Sep 2013 #52

Privately-owned toll roads? What a ridiculous and unthinkable idea! Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #72

I think the most important sentence pangaia Sep 2013 #80

Er...no. As usual. LWolf Sep 2013 #53

Different implementation with essentially the same outcome. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #61

Insurance reforms are welcome. Mandated purchase, NOT leftstreet Sep 2013 #68

Private, for profit insurance LWolf Sep 2013 #79

Interesting tiredtoo Sep 2013 #142

What do *I* consider affordable? LWolf Sep 2013 #152

Well, tiredtoo Sep 2013 #200

The state of Michigan forces you to own a car and keep it on the road? Fumesucker Sep 2013 #216

not the last that i heard tiredtoo Sep 2013 #221

I didn't think any of the insurance exchanges were as yet all settled in DebJ Sep 2013 #168

One in CA. One in OR. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #172

Do you remember the dynamics of the House and Senate when the ACA passed? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #232

"Pushing for more." LWolf Sep 2013 #295

Quality coverage? enlightenment Sep 2013 #78

OK: Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #81

Bully for Connecticut. enlightenment Sep 2013 #107

$1377 all-inclusive for a 2 night hospital stay, the doctors, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #117

I'm delighted you're pleased with the CT plan. enlightenment Sep 2013 #119

Sorry, but I don't have time to do that for all 50 states (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #123

Don't forget that if you have NO insurance, every service will cost you double, triple, or more DebJ Sep 2013 #170

My fiancee takes about 10 medications a month, for a chronic condition... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #165

Have you checked what subsidy you would be entitled to? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #182

None, my employer offers a bronze level plan... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #184

So you would be better off if your employer offered no insurance. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #187

Yes, though I heard they are renegotiating, but we won't know squat till December... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #188

OK, well the best of luck with that (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #189

Well, to be honest, I'm trying to switch jobs before that, but it really is going to depend on... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #201

I wouldn't trade my Canadian plan for anything remotely like that. delrem Sep 2013 #241

"57% of Canadians reported waiting 30 days (4 weeks) or more to see a specialist". Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #245

I don't see anything wrong with a wait time to see specialists in non-life-threatening delrem Sep 2013 #249

My understanding is that many rich bastards come to the US for health care Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #251

Of course they do! delrem Sep 2013 #257

I had to wait FIVE mimi85 Sep 2013 #254

But of your examples, Obamacare is the only one demwing Sep 2013 #82

Again, that was the only way to get a bill passed. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #87

Honestly, I'm not sure I do agree demwing Sep 2013 #98

It is *not* closer to the "ideal" (single payer gov't overseen) plan. delrem Sep 2013 #243

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #247

So why did Paul Krugman describe Obamacare as "an approximation of a single payer system"? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #248

He's wrong. delrem Sep 2013 #250

SocSec, Medicare and fire departments are GOVERNMENT programs eridani Sep 2013 #231

off to the greatest page for you rurallib Sep 2013 #3

rurallib Diclotican Sep 2013 #10

The US let my daughter die because of money Stargazer99 Sep 2013 #4

Stargazer99 Diclotican Sep 2013 #8

Very sorry about your daughter. You hit the real problem we are having right now square on the head jwirr Sep 2013 #60

I am so sorry to hear it. Quantess Sep 2013 #116

Thank you. K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #5

Thanks for relating your experience. Sienna86 Sep 2013 #6

Sienna86 Diclotican Sep 2013 #13

knr Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #7

brings this to mind: how the TV show 'Breaking Bad' plays out in the rest of the civilized world. KG Sep 2013 #11

KG Diclotican Sep 2013 #26

K&R. So many Americans die from lack of healthcare. DLevine Sep 2013 #14

DLevine Diclotican Sep 2013 #17

That's right. NOBODY with single payer health care would want the US system. Quantess Sep 2013 #77

Quantess Diclotican Sep 2013 #83

Thanks for posting that. I also live in a country with universal health care... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #15

Violet_Crumble Diclotican Sep 2013 #23

Your Australian rates are cheap compared to what we pay in Germany! DFW Sep 2013 #28

And I believe that in your countries, your employer will even accommodate DebJ Sep 2013 #171

DebJ Diclotican Sep 2013 #175

Three days can put you in trouble here in many places. A week, maybe. DebJ Sep 2013 #193

I'm not moving back to the USA until the health care system is fixed. Quantess Sep 2013 #20

Quantess Diclotican Sep 2013 #24

Health care was one of two issues for us when we left the US. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #35

American friends who have had cancer and insurance Quantess Sep 2013 #69

Completely agree. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #84

Nice to see you dodged the vicious Norwegian Death Panels krispos42 Sep 2013 #21

krispos42 Diclotican Sep 2013 #25

Glad to hear that things worked out for you, Diclotican. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #29

Enthusiast Diclotican Sep 2013 #31

You can get the same kind of universal care in the US dem in texas Sep 2013 #33

dem in texas Diclotican Sep 2013 #36

I was making an ironic statement, I know it doesn't work for everyone dem in texas Sep 2013 #103

dem in texas Diclotican Sep 2013 #169

Thanks dem in texas for posting the supplemental costs. DebJ Sep 2013 #174

dem in Texas, you are misinformed Maineman Sep 2013 #48

Countries with single payer usually have small charges for patients. Not free. Quantess Sep 2013 #134

Quantess Diclotican Sep 2013 #176

The difference is that when one is at an "advanced" age, SoCalDem Sep 2013 #213

Sort of. LWolf Sep 2013 #56

Meds come under the bill passed by G.W.Bush and the repugs eom tiredtoo Sep 2013 #214

And isn't part of the ACA? nt LWolf Sep 2013 #217

the aca tiredtoo Sep 2013 #222

So we're not really talking about GWB's actions. LWolf Sep 2013 #225

sir tiredtoo Sep 2013 #226

It will be better under Obamacare. roamer65 Sep 2013 #178

Quality of a country's health care measured by what the bottom 10% get, not the top 10%. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #37

Bernardo de La Paz Diclotican Sep 2013 #42

"often it is the sick and poor who need universal health care more than everyone else" Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #44

If "We take care of our own" good enough for US Marines, it's good enough for the whole USA. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #39

Diclotican Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #40

Iwillnevergiveup Diclotican Sep 2013 #45

Even if we ditched sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #41

sulphurdunn Diclotican Sep 2013 #46

Interesting comment/observation ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #270

ConcernedCanuk Diclotican Sep 2013 #277

Don't forget the rampant profiteering of the medical/pharmaceutical community and the Maineman Sep 2013 #55

Maineman Diclotican Sep 2013 #59

Wrong. The healthier you are, the longer you live. The longer you live-- eridani Sep 2013 #233

Yes, we could. Even with an expensive security state-- eridani Sep 2013 #279

we here in america heaven05 Sep 2013 #47

heaven05 Diclotican Sep 2013 #65

I could not agree more heaven05 Sep 2013 #70

heaven05 Diclotican Sep 2013 #75

so glad you're on the mend.. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #49

mountain grammy Diclotican Sep 2013 #76

It is horrible, Diclotican. The worst thing is people who are so afraid of universal health mountain grammy Sep 2013 #153

mountain grammy Diclotican Sep 2013 #157

Diclotican, what you say is so true, but the real problem is mountain grammy Sep 2013 #159

mountain grammy Diclotican Sep 2013 #164

Hejsan! Demeter Sep 2013 #50

Demeter Diclotican Sep 2013 #54

Thank you, Diclotican. Aristus Sep 2013 #51

Aristus Diclotican Sep 2013 #57

Glad you are AOK Diclotican JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #58

JustAnotherGen Diclotican Sep 2013 #62

My great-aunt's experience with NHS in Wales. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #64

ColesCountyDem Diclotican Sep 2013 #73

Diclotican Thor_MN Sep 2013 #66

Thor_MN Diclotican Sep 2013 #74

DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #71

If you don't go broke paying for life-sustaining healthcare it ain't freedom! Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #85

Arugula Latte Diclotican Sep 2013 #96

here in the states that would cost somewhere between 3-4 hundred thousand dollars madrchsod Sep 2013 #86

madrchsod Diclotican Sep 2013 #88

i've declared medical bankruptcy twice in my lifetime madrchsod Sep 2013 #204

madrchsod Diclotican Sep 2013 #207

Under an Obamacare gold plan it would cost no more than $3000. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #92

thanks madrchsod Sep 2013 #205

Americans don't realise how screwed they are Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #89

Under an Obamacare Gold plan, it would have cost you no more than $3000, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #90

You're ignoring the insurance premiums Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #93

What would your cost be without Obamacare? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #105

Worse, no doubt Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #112

So starting next year you will be paying somewhat more per month, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #126

Maybe Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #135

Bear in mind that under the ACA check-ups and all preventive care are free, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #138

That's an important point Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #141

Ron Obvious Diclotican Sep 2013 #94

That bill also arrived 6 months later... Ron Obvious Sep 2013 #128

Ron Obvious Diclotican Sep 2013 #143

glad you are on the mend. mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2013 #95

mstinamotorcity2 Diclotican Sep 2013 #97

Diclotican, I'm sorry you had this health ordeal, but glad you did not have the added stress of suffragette Sep 2013 #101

suffragette Diclotican Sep 2013 #104

Hi, Diclotican! Hissyspit Sep 2013 #102

Hissyspit Diclotican Sep 2013 #106

Your English is much better than my Norwegian... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #108

awoke_in_2003 Diclotican Sep 2013 #110

I don't hold out much hope... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #122

I have the VA and it is pretty good madokie Sep 2013 #109

madokie Diclotican Sep 2013 #113

Cost? Put it this way, break your leg on a ski trip and lose your house. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #114

Spitfire of ATJ Diclotican Sep 2013 #115

Woulda been cheaper to toss the TV in there. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #146

Or pay no more than $3000 for everything under an Obamacare Gold plan. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #124

I didn't find any premiums on the site - Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #285

Here's a link that talks about premiums: Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #286

So - for anyone with ongoing meds and medical needs Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #287

I am originally from Canada pandr32 Sep 2013 #120

pandr32 Diclotican Sep 2013 #129

This is why as a Canadian I don't agree that the US ACA is a "first-step to universal coverage". delrem Sep 2013 #237

I'm so glad you are getting well! REP Sep 2013 #121

REP Diclotican Sep 2013 #133

"Den Brysomme Mannen" is a really good movie REP Sep 2013 #156

REP Diclotican Sep 2013 #160

Here's an experience of a loved one with Commonwealth Care (AKA Romneycare, precursor to Obamacare) MADem Sep 2013 #125

See, that's how Romney totally, monumentally screwed up in 2012. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #127

Thank heavens his judgment sucked so bad! MADem Sep 2013 #139

MADem Diclotican Sep 2013 #137

We are not going to get that. It's not going to happen. At least not soon, and maybe not ever. MADem Sep 2013 #149

MADem Diclotican Sep 2013 #154

I found this comparison between tax rates in Norway, in my state (blue Mass), and MADem Sep 2013 #155

MADem Diclotican Sep 2013 #173

I have to agree--the trick is getting it in the first place! nt MADem Sep 2013 #206

MADem Diclotican Sep 2013 #211

American people accept a corporate dictatorship Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2013 #132

Diclotican, barbtries Sep 2013 #136

barbtries Diclotican Sep 2013 #140

thank you so much for your story. We have to have universal health care here in the US. There just liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #144

liberal_at_heart Diclotican Sep 2013 #147

You heal, and if you were in the US nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #148

nadinbrzezinski Diclotican Sep 2013 #151

Can somebody edit this? ErikJ Sep 2013 #158

ErikJ Diclotican Sep 2013 #161

Lots of vicious propaganda out there. ErikJ Sep 2013 #163

ErikJ Diclotican Sep 2013 #166

If it were me tiredtoo Sep 2013 #223

Thank you for sharing this with us. Just the fact that you were admitted and held in Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #162

Egalitarian Thug Diclotican Sep 2013 #167

Thanks for sharing Diclotican, Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #180

Uncle Joe Diclotican Sep 2013 #183

Your English is beautiful fadedrose Sep 2013 #186

fadedrose Diclotican Sep 2013 #190

Poetic prose, yes, that's how you write... fadedrose Sep 2013 #191

fadedrose Diclotican Sep 2013 #195

Thank you for sharing this. Even in your non-native language, it makes sense and... Triana Sep 2013 #192

Triana Diclotican Sep 2013 #194

"I have always been wondering why americans are so afraid of change" Triana Sep 2013 #220

thanks for writing this, Diclotican Skittles Sep 2013 #197

Skittles Diclotican Sep 2013 #198

You would have lost your home in the US Doctor_J Sep 2013 #202

Doctor_J Diclotican Sep 2013 #209

I think this is the way the president & Dems should have pitched SP UHC here Doctor_J Sep 2013 #218

I have friend that lives in Monterrey, Mexico. Lobo27 Sep 2013 #219

In Japan... Godot51 Sep 2013 #224

How much do you pay in taxes for your Universal coverage? cbdo2007 Sep 2013 #228

cbdo2007 Diclotican Sep 2013 #263

I am glad you were able to get medical care and now are on the mend. :^) GreenPartyVoter Sep 2013 #229

GreenPartyVoter Diclotican Sep 2013 #264

Your grammar and spelling are better than those of a couple of US Congress members eridani Sep 2013 #230

eridani Diclotican Sep 2013 #265

I have a friend in Norway right now being treated for throat cancer LadyHawkAZ Sep 2013 #234

LadyHawkAZ Diclotican Sep 2013 #266

it wasn't free... you paid for it with your taxes.. came out on top, and thats how it should be dionysus Sep 2013 #236

dionysus Diclotican Sep 2013 #267

Very glad you are recovering, Diclotican! TygrBright Sep 2013 #240

TygrBright Diclotican Sep 2013 #260

We have Universal Rent Extraction kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #246

kenny blankenship Diclotican Sep 2013 #261

I appreciate hearing your experience with healthcare in Norway davidpdx Sep 2013 #253

davidpdx Diclotican Sep 2013 #262

K&R! Amazing post and thank you! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2013 #256

Rhiannon12866 Diclotican Sep 2013 #268

I hope so, too, but I fear I will not live to see that day. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #259

kestrel91316 Diclotican Sep 2013 #269

10 days in the hospital=35K for ROOM AND BOARD DiverDave Sep 2013 #271

DiverDave Diclotican Sep 2013 #276

I was pretty sick DiverDave Sep 2013 #280

DiverDave Diclotican Sep 2013 #281

I couldnt think straight DiverDave Sep 2013 #289

DiverDave Diclotican Sep 2013 #290

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #278