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sarisataka

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131. Um.. what don't I know...

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:39 AM

Sep 2013

about Washington Navy Yard, never been there but I have been around similar installations that are primarily administrative and R&D. It is reasonable to assume they have similar security in place.

about 8th & I, served along side them in the Gulf, several friends and a platoon Sergeant who did spend a tour with 8th & I.

As how someone could do this, I know very well. A couple tours as red force have given me very clear views on the strengths and weaknesses of security of military installations.
Please note I am not claiming dog and his brother should be armed, just countering the fallacy that bases are packed full of armed troops ready to go with 5 minute notice. If that was the case there would be no need for MPs.
There are a very few installations that are armed like people here imagine and most are overseas. In CONUS you could count them on one hand.

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Naval yard shooting: this should end it once and for all [View all] Bennyboy Sep 2013 OP

End it... pffft... Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #1

Take all the guns away from the Navy. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #3

The Navy Yard is an office complex hack89 Sep 2013 #2

How many armed guards? Bennyboy Sep 2013 #9

The guards are civilians, surprisingly enough Recursion Sep 2013 #26

There will be a handful of armed cops the gates and front doors hack89 Sep 2013 #78

There is a Marine Corp barracks at the Naval Yard aolwien Sep 2013 #15

It's four blocks away. There's an interstate between Navy Yard and 8th & I (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #23

Even if there was a Marine barracks there Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #36

They also have force protection agency aolwien Sep 2013 #40

Too bad people don't go to jail for at least using the same caution that the military does with VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #146

Yes exactly, thank you for clearing this up. LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #179

Marines in barracks sarisataka Sep 2013 #50

You are telling me they couldn't be armed within a moments notice? aolwien Sep 2013 #54

That's the band and the silent drill team Recursion Sep 2013 #60

Well, a trombone can be a deadly projectile weapon if you play it right (or wrong!) kentauros Sep 2013 #79

A sharp slide to sixth position can nail somebody, alright..... (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #154

If they are anything like the Army's ceremonial guard aolwien Sep 2013 #98

"Combat ready" is a specific term regarding training and equipment and is measured in days Recursion Sep 2013 #123

correct Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #126

Yup LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #180

Yes Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #69

"It takes deliberate planning to open and issue weapons, by design." MH1 Sep 2013 #101

Actually Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #110

Yup, there was another crackdown on how things get issued after the Clinton base closure report.. X_Digger Sep 2013 #119

I was in a technical field, and it was easier to check out expensive tech equipment than an M-16. MH1 Sep 2013 #139

It takes about an hour and a half for an infantry company to draw weapons Recursion Sep 2013 #72

Yes, that is exactly what I am telling you sarisataka Sep 2013 #73

Plus there's the whole posse comitatus problem Recursion Sep 2013 #80

I was never stationed in DC sarisataka Sep 2013 #88

It's a full-fledged Naval Installation Recursion Sep 2013 #96

Nevermind aolwien Sep 2013 #89

Seriously: it takes an infantry company about 90 minutes to draw weapons Recursion Sep 2013 #93

That person has ZERO knowledge about how the Military functions on a daily basis. prefunk Sep 2013 #102

So this mighty military force that we have aolwien Sep 2013 #103

They are not to Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #111

Navy Yard isn't even controlled access for the most part; there's a public museum there. Recursion Sep 2013 #113

You would prefer martial law? pintobean Sep 2013 #127

To reply to your unedited post... sarisataka Sep 2013 #105

You just said you never have been in DC aolwien Sep 2013 #108

Um.. what don't I know... sarisataka Sep 2013 #131

SAC in the 50's Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #134

You are on the right track... sarisataka Sep 2013 #145

Yes, that is exactly what you are being told, and it is exactly right. prefunk Sep 2013 #97

2nd LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #181

The Marine Barracks is at 8th and I, north of the Navy Yard on the other side of I-695 hack89 Sep 2013 #74

Did they re-sign that as 695? Recursion Sep 2013 #82

It would appear so according to the almighty Google. hack89 Sep 2013 #86

Probably part of the Recovery & Reinvestment Act work Recursion Sep 2013 #91

The NHC is located there... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #156

Have you ever been on a military base? Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #4

But, but NCIS!!11!! NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #6

Oh come on you know there would be very heavy security on such doc03 Sep 2013 #7

Like I said, have you ever been on a base? Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #10

I have been in the military I am sure there are plenty armed security doc03 Sep 2013 #18

Yes of course that is the point. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #21

I think you have that exactly backwards. MelungeonWoman Sep 2013 #175

I omitted the sarcasm indicator. Poe's law applies. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #178

My bad. Carry on. MelungeonWoman Sep 2013 #183

I am simply saying Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #27

The original post went overboard on that point for sure, but to say doc03 Sep 2013 #39

If you spent time in the military, then you know this to be true. prefunk Sep 2013 #95

So, what's your point? Arm everyone? n/t doc03 Sep 2013 #112

My point is that you are being wildly inaccurate about the facts. prefunk Sep 2013 #122

depending on post or base Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #114

That is less common now, but not unheard of. prefunk Sep 2013 #118

Fort sill is Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #124

Why the hell would anyone willingly set foot on Ft. Sill? Recursion Sep 2013 #138

Moved ADA school here Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #141

Good. As long as the ground is suffering. Recursion Sep 2013 #143

The FA Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #144

When I was stationed at Fort Riley in the 1990's...there was no security wercal Sep 2013 #133

That is how Bliss was Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #137

Duckhunter....Bliss...ADA....I get it now. wercal Sep 2013 #169

I would not go that far.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #148

Navy Yard? No. It's a museum and an office complex Recursion Sep 2013 #37

Does an ordinary town have armed guards and gates at the entrance and doc03 Sep 2013 #44

Well being in the city with the strongest gun control laws in the nation didn't prevent it Recursion Sep 2013 #51

He could have obtained the gun inside of the installation doc03 Sep 2013 #59

Only if they've installed an arsenal in the past few years Recursion Sep 2013 #66

Naval Sea Systems Command Headquarters. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #185

Ft Hood shooter had to be shot by local cop AngryAmish Sep 2013 #49

Wasn't so at Offutt. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #115

Many times.... Bennyboy Sep 2013 #14

And an ID card gets you right through the gate Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #20

Can debate all day about security at the base. Let's talk about the killer with a gun that is there. Hoyt Sep 2013 #33

Impossible. He's in DC. He couldn't have had a gun Recursion Sep 2013 #55

Not in Virginia they aren't... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #149

The discussion is about base security sarisataka Sep 2013 #62

It's NCIS syndrome. Guns in desk drawers all around. X_Digger Sep 2013 #65

Ain't it the truth? Honestly, TV makes people stupid. I have always thought it should be outlawed if Nay Sep 2013 #151

Generally, only Sercurity Forces are armed on military bases, not the rank and file. prefunk Sep 2013 #90

The Marines that protect the President are stationed there aolwien Sep 2013 #16

No, they're stationed at 8th & I, four blocks away with I-295 in between Recursion Sep 2013 #29

Being on call does not mean continuously holding a gun. Yes, they may play tiddly winks, read, watc uppityperson Sep 2013 #167

The Ft Hood shooting was in a no-weapons-area, too. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #24

Right. kentauros Sep 2013 #63

I wrote in the phenomenon you I.D.'d to one of my Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #188

Oh, I agree with everything you said there. kentauros Sep 2013 #190

Big old 2nd!!!!! LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #182

My understanding is that it's an office building pintobean Sep 2013 #5

And the gungeoneers are out in force 'splainin. Nt. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #8

Gosh darn those pesky facts, anyway! Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #11

It's like confronting creationists with paleontology: generally more amusing... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #170

They should get underway and take the danger out to sea. pintobean Sep 2013 #17

"...end it once and for all." I doubt it. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #12

Almost no one in the Navy is armed. Revanchist Sep 2013 #13

the amount of security on the base Bennyboy Sep 2013 #28

Seriously, you're just wrong here. I used to work there. Recursion Sep 2013 #46

We will never win the gun debate ChangeUp106 Sep 2013 #19

Agree get the red out Sep 2013 #35

It might be of benefit to determine what "winning" is... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #41

This logic of arming society only works if LittleBlue Sep 2013 #22

I'm sure they'll be another run on AR-15s at the gun shows now. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #25

The gun industry and NRA need thsese shootings to bump up sales. AlinPA Sep 2013 #173

Thank you, I agree!!! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #30

You mean how the strictest gun control laws in the nation didn't do anything? Recursion Sep 2013 #31

An elementary school in Conneticut didn't end it. Hayabusa Sep 2013 #32

Unfortunately, hardly anyone on a Navy base is armed. prefunk Sep 2013 #34

Particularly Navy Yard Recursion Sep 2013 #67

at least 4 dead riverwalker Sep 2013 #38

What I learned from this thread: Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #42

Which is why we're positioning Best Buy stores in the Mediterranean. Robb Sep 2013 #43

Hahaha! Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #45

There are certainly more people carrying in the Best Buy across the river than at Navy Yard Recursion Sep 2013 #53

Post #43 sums up how I feel about that. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #57

Well, I can tell you ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #81

You may be surprised to know that very FEW Servicemembers are armed on a daily basis. prefunk Sep 2013 #85

There's a whole lot wrong with that. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #135

Why is that? It's a matter of logistics and security. prefunk Sep 2013 #140

You don't see it? Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #142

I'm not entirely sure that is accurate and fail to see what your point really is. prefunk Sep 2013 #147

Go into your dance, Gun Enthusiasts Paladin Sep 2013 #47

LOL at the gungeoneers insisting that a navy yard is some kind of gun free zone! DanTex Sep 2013 #48

It's entirely a gun-free zone. It's in DC. Recursion Sep 2013 #52

So it's gun-free except for the guys with guns... DanTex Sep 2013 #56

That's what "gun-free zone" means. They generally have armed guards Recursion Sep 2013 #64

Umm... if they have "armed guards" then it's not "gun-free". DanTex Sep 2013 #68

Ah, you've discovered how illogical that phrase is, too? Recursion Sep 2013 #70

In which case the point the OP is making is valid, definitional technicalities notwithstanding. DanTex Sep 2013 #76

No. Navy Yard has *very few guns per capita* compared to most of the country Recursion Sep 2013 #84

They have armed security guards. "Good guys with guns" as Wayne would put it. DanTex Sep 2013 #92

Where have you lived that the police weren't armed? Recursion Sep 2013 #94

Are you saying that security at the Navy Yard is weak? DanTex Sep 2013 #99

It's a fairly soft target as DC installations go Recursion Sep 2013 #107

As for the gun control doesn't stop mass shootings argument... DanTex Sep 2013 #116

Undercut by the neighboring states *with lower gun crime rates*? Recursion Sep 2013 #125

Neighboring states with much lower population densities. DanTex Sep 2013 #130

Just as tight as a normal Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #117

If it's a "gun free zone," it's because they admit that gun carriers are irrational. Hoyt Sep 2013 #77

You usually include the word 'bigots' pintobean Sep 2013 #87

Where are your pictures of the white RW militia guys with the guns? hack89 Sep 2013 #121

Apparently you like those photos. Hoyt Sep 2013 #150

I like routine. You are usually very predicable hack89 Sep 2013 #155

People are starting to recognize the gungeoneers. Hoyt Sep 2013 #164

So? Not like it is a major revelation. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #165

All the guns at Ft. Hood didn't prevent that shooting, either. leveymg Sep 2013 #58

You might as well try to abolish Mother's Day. lpbk2713 Sep 2013 #61

Worker in the building jsut now on CNN Bennyboy Sep 2013 #71

In a given building, yes, there's metal detectors and security Recursion Sep 2013 #75

all they are talking about now is security Bennyboy Sep 2013 #109

Well, that certainly convinces me, who worked there fairly recently Recursion Sep 2013 #120

Yes, I am sure Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #129

Never pass up a tragedy to push your policial agenda. davepc Sep 2013 #83

Indeed. Enjoy your gun shows. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #100

In my experience (Army), US Military bases are very 'soft' targets wercal Sep 2013 #104

You shouldn't get your "facts" from a fictional TV show. former9thward Sep 2013 #106

This tradgedy will make no difference tiredtoo Sep 2013 #128

Thinking you're not familiar with the DC Navy Yard - lynne Sep 2013 #132

People do not go armed in a military facility, unless they are security. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #136

Perhaps in a sane world that would end it Blue Owl Sep 2013 #152

You can't open carry at an NRA meeting? Really? Someone needs to call them on brewens Sep 2013 #153

No, that's not true. DesMoinesDem Sep 2013 #168

Bennyboy, I was stationed at the Pentagon for 7 1/2 years MrScorpio Sep 2013 #157

The reason people are arguing onenote Sep 2013 #159

Good question. MrScorpio Sep 2013 #160

Just like Fort Hood, right? NickB79 Sep 2013 #158

This embarrassingly ignorant OP: this should end it once and for all. DesMoinesDem Sep 2013 #161

They have strict gun control in DC. How can this happen? Redford Sep 2013 #162

Question: What is the state directly to the west of Washington DC? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #171

Very ill-informed LannyDeVaney Sep 2013 #174

Remember when Hinkley shot Reagan dorkulon Sep 2013 #163

The navy yard is not, contrary to your opinion, in a war zone nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #166

My View at link tiredtoo Sep 2013 #172

I put all blog floggers on ignore. bye TeamPooka Sep 2013 #176

Good idea /nt sarisataka Sep 2013 #177

Good policy nt Crabby Appleton Sep 2013 #186

The title is too stupid to bother with. pintobean Sep 2013 #184

Thank you for your reply tiredtoo Sep 2013 #187

Most people look for labels pintobean Sep 2013 #189