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lumberjack_jeff

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223. On the other hand, why do you think Warren suggested it?

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:50 AM

Sep 2013

He "specifically asked" because he knew that the issue would become an urban legend when you got hold of it and we'd find ourselves in the pointless exercise of arguing about what you imagined rather than what was said.

What specifically have you "quoted here"? I would like to see the entire post, verbatim, so that we can talk about why the jury and those who responded in the thread so fundamentally misunderstood it.

And your assertion (whatever tenuous relationship to the post in question it might have) is plainly wrong and I explained to you why upthread. It may be natural for me to find a 22 year old attractive, but it's inappropriate AT MY AGE to act upon it. It's also why posters in that thread responded "half your age plus 7" as being a workable rule of thumb.

Child molestation is too common, and those guilty of it should be put away. But that has nothing. at. all. to do with the topic at hand.

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Think about this when you see someone here calling another a pedophile or rapist apologist or [View all] upaloopa Sep 2013 OP

he asked at what age he could be sexually attracted to a girl before being called a creep or seabeyond Sep 2013 #1

I've seen people called creeps for being say, 55 and dating a 25 year old. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #6

This might help pintobean Sep 2013 #13

What is this, some Jedi mind trick? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #16

Try again pintobean Sep 2013 #17

No, first go back and tell seabeyond to edit her post ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #20

Maybe you should read the OP pintobean Sep 2013 #22

She is still talking about a post that was deleted two days ago, not the OP of this thread ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #24

Yes, it was. pintobean Sep 2013 #30

The OP is, get with the program. She responded to it here. boston bean Sep 2013 #34

And she brought in the word creep, not used in this OP but the other one ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #37

was pedophile used? boston bean Sep 2013 #40

She's saying it was apparently, as well as the word creep ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #45

You can't recall? boston bean Sep 2013 #49

Did you read #24? You should know what I said ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #52

I know I'm such a "b*tch" being concerned about one who thinks or one who supports boston bean Sep 2013 #54

Do you want to start calling out who you think supports it? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #55

If he was married and divorced his wife of 25-30 years for a younger woman, I think its shitty. boston bean Sep 2013 #58

I see nothing in TMG thread that shows support ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #61

Yeah, totally. I know when I read the word "pedophile" I *ALWAYS* think of 20 year olds. redqueen Sep 2013 #94

and you're more outraged by the use of the word creep BainsBane Sep 2013 #176

the question "what is too young" isn't creepily speculative as it is? bettyellen Sep 2013 #81

I'll remind you BainsBane Sep 2013 #88

At best, he asked an ambiguous question and phrased it in the most awkward possible way... nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #110

He wasn't ambiguous at all. redqueen Sep 2013 #113

I can't know exactly what was in his head at the time. What I do know is I was more and more creeped nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #117

This looks like a good place in the thread for a musical interlude snooper2 Sep 2013 #201

"Half your age plus 7 years" is a good rule of thumb, I think. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #98

If people are over 18, I don't give a flying fuck BainsBane Sep 2013 #106

"creepy" is a subjective opinion Quantess Sep 2013 #14

It is? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #18

In your opinion it isn't and in my opinion, it might be. Quantess Sep 2013 #21

I don't care for the gossip in the small town certain circles ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #26

When I was 25 I was seriously creeped out by older men hitting on me. Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #41

My scenario wasn't about unwanted advances from some old slob ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #51

you cannot make others not find things creepy Skittles Sep 2013 #157

Everyone seems to want to go back to the sexual fetishes in this thread ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #160

You asked a question that will not be answered here. SamReynolds Sep 2013 #188

As an opinion, is it not possible to discuss it? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #33

This the best you got? boston bean Sep 2013 #47

It isn't just "the best", it is good. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #56

Well, at least he didn't reply "if the post is alerted, I'm confident it will stay" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #57

"The result was entirely predictable"... opiate69 Sep 2013 #59

Good lord BainsBane Sep 2013 #101

Not quite no one was supporting someone who was boston bean Sep 2013 #60

The question was clearly and obviously asked in a non-literal way. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #63

Oh Lumberjack, doth prtest to much, do you not see your boston bean Sep 2013 #67

Wasn't that link to HOF LittleBlue Sep 2013 #68

duh, did you read what just I wrote? boston bean Sep 2013 #69

I read it LittleBlue Sep 2013 #73

Shall I quit now father/boss/man? boston bean Sep 2013 #75

This has nothing to do with me being a boss man LittleBlue Sep 2013 #84

I didn't see it a jest. I saw it as making an exasperated point boston bean Sep 2013 #91

I hope you are aware that in India LittleBlue Sep 2013 #97

Very sad and disgusting incident. How many boys are being castrated in India, do you know? boston bean Sep 2013 #105

I would have to know what he's asking LittleBlue Sep 2013 #129

You can make whatever assumptions about me that you would like. boston bean Sep 2013 #132

Your family really has litte to do with this LittleBlue Sep 2013 #139

My friends would realizeI wasn't defending castrating or for castrating boys. boston bean Sep 2013 #141

Oh dear lord, that is SICK! SamReynolds Sep 2013 #189

You participated in that thread BainsBane Sep 2013 #193

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #237

Do you actually read? BainsBane Sep 2013 #190

I read the entire thing LittleBlue Sep 2013 #204

I am arguing that? BainsBane Sep 2013 #207

Your quote LittleBlue Sep 2013 #210

Read your own link BainsBane Sep 2013 #211

You did LittleBlue Sep 2013 #214

Well, she did say in that post she didn't mean it BainsBane Sep 2013 #224

Wow, you're thick. SamReynolds Sep 2013 #238

Oh, I don't know about all that.... opiate69 Sep 2013 #70

So as long as the little ladies keep their mouths shut all is well... boston bean Sep 2013 #71

I see you haven't divested yourself of straw futures... opiate69 Sep 2013 #74

I'm not vested in straw, never have been. boston bean Sep 2013 #76

Ah.. Well, given your perpetual use of strawmen, I just assumed.. As for the other claim, opiate69 Sep 2013 #78

Classy..... boston bean Sep 2013 #92

Ah, yes.. because you and yours have ever always been the fucking picture of decorum and civility.. opiate69 Sep 2013 #95

I'm not usually civil when confronting sexist assholes. Is that the instance you speak of/reference? boston bean Sep 2013 #96

You're often uncivil when you confront your fellow DU'ers too. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #102

Wow, nice to know how you feel. boston bean Sep 2013 #108

I get mail. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #112

Now I'm a dehumanizer. Always considered myself to be a pretty boston bean Sep 2013 #123

You're rambling. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #77

Ok, take your own advice. ie People responding to a posters own words boston bean Sep 2013 #86

No, that is not what he said BainsBane Sep 2013 #103

At my age, I would consider it inappropriate to act on an attraction to a 24 year old. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #111

I consider his explanation a cover up BainsBane Sep 2013 #114

Oh, boy.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #116

Where is it going? BainsBane Sep 2013 #119

Go ahead and time me, if you wish ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #126

Do you actually have anything to say to me? BainsBane Sep 2013 #127

Why bother reading what people say before calling them pedophiles? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #120

Where did I call him a pedophile? BainsBane Sep 2013 #122

It made it clear to you ... polly7 Sep 2013 #118

Yes, he used the word pedophile. DLevine Sep 2013 #128

Ah well ....... I'm still not as quick to accuse someone of being a pedophile polly7 Sep 2013 #131

I agree that doesn't make him a pedophile. DLevine Sep 2013 #137

See, I wouldn't have automatically assumed he was talking about underage girls at all. polly7 Sep 2013 #142

how young can a girls be to find her SEXUALLY attractive before considered a creep or pedophile. seabeyond Sep 2013 #144

What? polly7 Sep 2013 #145

Well, as long as it wasn't a woman who said it BainsBane Sep 2013 #194

Do you always make things up? polly7 Sep 2013 #196

Okay BainsBane Sep 2013 #199

Ahhh, I've posted many, many articles and links for women's rights and equality. polly7 Sep 2013 #200

So you can't provide any? BainsBane Sep 2013 #203

Nah .... I say what 'I' think, and really don't care what you polly7 Sep 2013 #208

Actually, my entire experience with you has been from your "us vs. them" BainsBane Sep 2013 #212

OFFS. polly7 Sep 2013 #215

That's a good question BainsBane Sep 2013 #242

Maybe you could pm me with your self-pitying bullcrap if you're so polly7 Sep 2013 #247

I'm so sorry you got slapped with that label, polly... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #239

No one said that to you BainsBane Sep 2013 #240

Yes, they did accuse me of that. Here's the link... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #241

The link doesn't support what you claim BainsBane Sep 2013 #243

Uh, how was that not accusing me of supporting sex trafficking?? Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #244

You said the post was an attack BainsBane Sep 2013 #245

Accusing me of supporting sex trafficking isn't an attack? It is, no matter how it's twisted... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #246

There's one thing you need to learn Violet, polly7 Sep 2013 #249

Strange, isn't it. polly7 Sep 2013 #248

"Supporting him through it though." ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #64

What are you doing in this thread? BainsBane Sep 2013 #104

Bullshit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #121

Really? BainsBane Sep 2013 #125

All I asked her was about creeps (the word she used) and age gap between consenting adults ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #130

You continue to evade the question BainsBane Sep 2013 #133

I already said up thread.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #140

SEXUALLY attractive. how YOUNG can a GIRL be to find her SEXUALLY attractive without seabeyond Sep 2013 #143

the precise language was "how old" BainsBane Sep 2013 #150

The revealing part was that he distinguished between attraction and acting on it BainsBane Sep 2013 #146

yes. instead of merely attractive, he made clear sexually attractive. used pedophile and not acting seabeyond Sep 2013 #148

the question wasn't about age differences- it was how young of a girl is "too young" bettyellen Sep 2013 #87

With the assumption that it would be so young that the poster Squinch Sep 2013 #136

yep, several posters are attempting to rewrite the OP - so they obviously saw it was bettyellen Sep 2013 #191

Me Too, I'm 55 and couldn't imagine dating a 25 yr old, Lusting for one ? orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #83

+1 B Calm Sep 2013 #154

This could be an interesting discussion The Straight Story Sep 2013 #8

and then he deleted and he and several others tried to spin that it was about adults.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #79

Oh boy, an armchair psychology thread. Those are always classy and educated here. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #2

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar etherealtruth Sep 2013 #3

People ought to be careful throwing around these terms LittleBlue Sep 2013 #4

Insert joke here: Bay Boy Sep 2013 #5

Ah, the old three-fingers-pointing-back-at-you. Iggo Sep 2013 #7

Freud is not worth citing Shivering Jemmy Sep 2013 #9

Good call, if safeinOhio Sep 2013 #28

In another way: people hate most in others what they struggle with in themselves bhikkhu Sep 2013 #10

Urp a Durp Oilwellian Sep 2013 #11

When she couches that objection using phrases like "LOL poor widdle menz!" lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #35

In response to men defending misgynistic actions and words boston bean Sep 2013 #44

Ya know, my kids grew out of that whole "he did it first" thing by around 10 or so... opiate69 Sep 2013 #48

Are you reading the OP? boston bean Sep 2013 #50

Right? Squinch Sep 2013 #155

Freud? Seriously? So you believe women want penises and want to fuck their fathers? alphafemale Sep 2013 #12

You do know that Freud was a misogynist right? Rex Sep 2013 #15

I wonder if he ever called anyone a quack. pintobean Sep 2013 #19

Anybody looking toward Freud Aerows Sep 2013 #25

I'll take "Poisoning the well", with a side of "Historian's fallacy", Garcon. opiate69 Sep 2013 #27

You don't need to poison the well with Freud Aerows Sep 2013 #29

While some of his work has been rightly dismissed, opiate69 Sep 2013 #32

Standing on the shoulders of giants Aerows Sep 2013 #43

Who knew that quoting Freud's own words would cause such projection Rex Sep 2013 #181

nanos gigantum humeris insidentes Aerows Sep 2013 #182

Social democracy Rex Sep 2013 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Sep 2013 #184

This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Sep 2013 #185

Or, are you dismissing the concept of "projection", out-of-hand? opiate69 Sep 2013 #42

Absolutely not Aerows Sep 2013 #46

Oh boy Aerows Sep 2013 #23

Someone posted a badly worded op, and every single person who responded talked about ADULTS Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #31

Freud is that you? boston bean Sep 2013 #38

And since I don't know him from Adam pintobean Sep 2013 #39

Fair enough. Like I said, best case scenario it was worded badly. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #53

Well, both your and her reactions are understandable. pintobean Sep 2013 #62

+1 nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #147

This has *nothing* to do with 'mind-reading'. redqueen Sep 2013 #149

I agree it was creepy. Like I said, it creeped me out the more I thought about it. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #156

kali pretty much hit the pedophile button also. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #162

Don't you think the hosts should have locked that thread? BainsBane Sep 2013 #109

It was a CS issue, not an SOP issue. pintobean Sep 2013 #134

I think I took you off because of a MIRT issue BainsBane Sep 2013 #138

In retrospect, YES, of course it should've been locked. And I don't feel too good nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #166

That would make sense BainsBane Sep 2013 #167

Yeah, I'm certainly not confident enough of the guy's benign intentions, to defend him in any way. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #168

In retrospect, I should have asked him to rephrase his question. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #186

that was not the question Jeff- it was how young is too young. bettyellen Sep 2013 #192

About half of the respondents answered the question "how old is too old?" lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #219

A rather none-too-clever way to petulantly trivialize the concerns of others. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #229

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #230

half of the respondents ignored the question asked-which was how young is too young? bettyellen Sep 2013 #231

Granted, I should really read the SOP of the men's group BainsBane Sep 2013 #197

The responses in the thread made clear what the understood meaning was. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #217

Warren specifically asked him to preserve the text of the OP in a post BainsBane Sep 2013 #221

On the other hand, why do you think Warren suggested it? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #223

instead of just saying people are lying, you might want to prove people are lying. what has been seabeyond Sep 2013 #225

You may consider it inappropriate BainsBane Sep 2013 #226

I want to know why several people are pretending the words "age difference" was anywhere in that bettyellen Sep 2013 #227

Damn this is a long thread...I think we need two musical interludes... snooper2 Sep 2013 #213

this was fun. my son seabeyond Sep 2013 #222

What did I miss? JVS Sep 2013 #65

I asked the same LittleBlue Sep 2013 #66

Look in the men's group BainsBane Sep 2013 #85

He asked how young someone had to be before lusting after them would get you labeled a pedophile redqueen Sep 2013 #99

Repugnant. ~nt~ b.durruti Sep 2013 #115

Why do you suppose he made he distinction BainsBane Sep 2013 #82

You should see what we have going in HoF ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #89

If I felt that it would be appreciated, I'd go into HoF and weigh in, but I suspect it wouldn't. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #165

That OP made DU suck, Warren. Not hard to trace the suckage back to it's source. bettyellen Sep 2013 #90

At least the message is consistent. redqueen Sep 2013 #100

and it's free speech when you say something heinous, but not when you call it that. LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #124

And they can ask about how young someone is before lusting after them gets you labeled a "pedophile" redqueen Sep 2013 #135

Don't you know BainsBane Sep 2013 #152

Yeah, I don't know why some people persist with these strawmen. Smacks of insecurity to me. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #171

I suppose it's more convenient than actually thinking about BainsBane Sep 2013 #173

Reducing someone to a caricature means never having to say you're so sorry... nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Sep 2013 #177

I have to say, some of the stuff in the Men's Group makes me shake my head as well. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #178

I've seen you try to be agreeable in there BainsBane Sep 2013 #179

Agreed. Like I said, I have no reason whatsoever to stick up for the guy. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #180

The ONLY correct answer to that question was over 18 boston bean Sep 2013 #158

How about we try this- if you have a problem with something I've ACTUALLY said, fine. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #163

IF that's so, it sounds a lot like gollygee Sep 2013 #159

LOL! Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #36

Aw ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #72

:) BainsBane Sep 2013 #80

I think I'm a masochist. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #93

I know, me too. I stopped reading replies to my own OP after the first 2 hours Quantess Sep 2013 #151

Oh, Upaloopa, just because you project, doesn't mean the rest of us do! Squinch Sep 2013 #107

I have idea wtf half of these threads are. Potato chips, anyone? Dash87 Sep 2013 #153

Yes Tien1985 Sep 2013 #169

And sometimes a cigar is a just a cigar Scootaloo Sep 2013 #161

This world is filled with fucked-up, unpleasant people. So why wouldn't a few of them be on DU? nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #172

statistical probability says some are BainsBane Sep 2013 #174

It's a fragment of a sophomore essay minus a conclusion. Grade: Inc. Hekate Sep 2013 #164

My college 1301 pysch prof told us once LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #170

TTMFT* Iggo Sep 2013 #187

When you copy and paste, plagiarize something off the intertubes snooper2 Sep 2013 #195

I've called some article authors misogynist, but it was deserved. Dash87 Sep 2013 #198

YES!! 100 plus responses by the same 3 peeps! tjwash Sep 2013 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Sep 2013 #205

Actually it is about a different member maddezmom Sep 2013 #206

Thanks, then I am clueless. William769 Sep 2013 #209

is "creepy" the new "nasty"? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #216

I'm also thinking that someone is trying far too hard to rationalize an untenable position LanternWaste Sep 2013 #218

So these terms can never be used? intaglio Sep 2013 #220

otherwise, according to some here- you are making DU suck. All posts should be left to stand without bettyellen Sep 2013 #228

Actually, I do believe in projection, and Squinch Sep 2013 #233

Uh, oh... pipi_k Sep 2013 #232

Interestingly, you just told all of us that, in pointing out rape apologia and pedophilic Squinch Sep 2013 #234

since you called him calling you, does that make you a double rape apologist and pedophilic? nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #235

Makes one nauseous, no? In all kinds of ways. Squinch Sep 2013 #236