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AverageJoe90

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124. Snowden didn't expose SHIT. This stuff covering the NSA was available years ago.

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:16 PM

Sep 2013

He then upheld the oath he took, the best way needed, to expose the corruption he encountered.

By running off with classified info that could have put some of our people on the ground in harm's way, and taking this information to China AND Russia? Are you fucking kidding me?

Without Snowden, we would not still know how far over the line the NSA was operating.

That's not true, and Greenwald and co. know that.

This country needs more Snowdens.....not less.

No, what we need is another Daniel Ellsberg. Ellsberg actually DID expose corruption, and did so without putting any innocent parties in harm's way. Snowden can't even come CLOSE to comparing.

And as for Manning, for all his foul-ups, he at least genuinely believed that he thought he was doing the right thing, by going to Wikileaks. Snowden, on the other hand, knew damn well he was doing wrong, but he simply didn't care. Not one whit. He was in it at least for the money, if not to screw over the Obama administration as well(although with him being a Ron Paul acolyte, it wouldn't surprise me!).

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O... M... G... [View all] WillyT Sep 2013 OP

Jean-Luc Picard would never sit in THAT chair. arcane1 Sep 2013 #1

True. The Federation is as far removed in policy from the NSA Cleita Sep 2013 #4

You obviously have never heard of Section 31. PragmaticLiberal Sep 2013 #15

Supposedly it works outside the govt. and Star Fleet command. Cleita Sep 2013 #22

Good point. PragmaticLiberal Sep 2013 #43

Well, the Federation was about gathering information Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #139

Really? You got that from Star Trek? Cleita Sep 2013 #140

Yep, I got that from (the original) Star Trek Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #141

Yep. He missed the whole point. n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #5

Maybe It's Time For An Adult Female In That Job... WillyT Sep 2013 #8

I'd settle for a real adult. RC Sep 2013 #63

Condi Rice? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #129

+1000 Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #25

Nor would an honourable Klingon Warrior DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #32

dang you're right! Riverman100 Sep 2013 #49

lots and lots RC Sep 2013 #66

I am a near-lifelong Trekker DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #105

From the TNG episdode "The Hunted" Maedhros Sep 2013 #51

The Roca Danar character from that episode had the COOLEST. HAIR. EVER. TheDebbieDee Sep 2013 #77

It's Roga Danar and here is his picture. TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #79

Here's one. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #81

Who decided that making a megalomaniacal whack job head of the NSA was a good idea? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #2

Megalomaniac is right. Th1onein Sep 2013 #13

He's Rumsfeld's protoge. nt grasswire Sep 2013 #60

Well, that explains it. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #64

Why, it had to be Dick Cheney. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #87

My guess is that it's the Carlyle Group. Who do you think put him in power? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #127

Even I, not a big Obama fan, didn't think for a moment truebluegreen Sep 2013 #131

Hah! I *TOLD* you all! Pholus Sep 2013 #3

"needless crap"? You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding! 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #62

I can just see the sales presentation... Pholus Sep 2013 #68

This character comes to mind for some reason 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #73

This is absolutely needed! didact Sep 2013 #110

Lol.. That movie still cracks me up! glowing Sep 2013 #117

Whatever are you saying? Are you trying to tell us truedelphi Sep 2013 #123

Yikes! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #6

Gee, I wonder who paid for it. xfundy Sep 2013 #7

great minds think alike barbtries Sep 2013 #10

Several thousand teachers, particularly. Marr Sep 2013 #55

And kill people Hydra Sep 2013 #109

paid for by... barbtries Sep 2013 #9

I just have to echo your O.M.G.!! Unbelievable. riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #11

What? No cone of silence? L0oniX Sep 2013 #12

No, Loonix. Plenty of agents around, though, to look through your gmails. Th1onein Sep 2013 #14

I'm betting that man has a real complex. Autumn Sep 2013 #16

LOL !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #17

Alexander seems Too Good to Be True! He captured a Young President with "Star Wars!" KoKo Sep 2013 #18

Exactly !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #19

Wow,,,,, Government Agancy builds new HQ Cryptoad Sep 2013 #20

Why is it Caretha Sep 2013 #26

Truth burrs the ass of Many!,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #30

Since I have your permisssion Caretha Sep 2013 #36

Thank you Cryptoad Sep 2013 #42

Mine does the same. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #88

Be careful. I think that one's the kind that secretes poison. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #91

Hey Obviousman hootinholler Sep 2013 #31

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #40

> morningfog Sep 2013 #67

PLUS A BRAZILLION! nt Enthusiast Sep 2013 #89

We probably need to blue links and WooWoo to explain how this is great Doctor_J Sep 2013 #99

Love the post - but hueymahl Sep 2013 #115

Funny, I Read the Same Rant over at Cryptoad Sep 2013 #122

20 some hours later and that's all ya got? hootinholler Sep 2013 #135

I bet yoiu did! Cryptoad Sep 2013 #137

red state was complaining about meals on wheels cuts? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #136

Probably many things,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #138

Can you point me to any other govt office with a captains chair riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #35

My feelings are the money would have been Much better spent in hiring federal employees adirondacker Sep 2013 #52

Some libraries somewhere? truedelphi Sep 2013 #125

Yes! The list is endless at present. Instead we're given more privitazation of Public interests adirondacker Sep 2013 #126

With railings! sibelian Sep 2013 #116

wow Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #21

ROFL Oilwellian Sep 2013 #39

What is it they say? Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #23

I'm going to have to steal that line! Silent3 Sep 2013 #58

Perfect for a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #24

It's insane Oilwellian Sep 2013 #29

The document you link to says 1999 build date. hootinholler Sep 2013 #38

I think so Oilwellian Sep 2013 #41

It seems like it is the HQ of the command he had at the time hootinholler Sep 2013 #45

Ah, indeed Oilwellian Sep 2013 #54

Could just be a reflection of a light on a non-flat surface. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #57

And it comes with choice of musical openings! DeSwiss Sep 2013 #27

Screw a bunch of food stamps and day care centers . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #28

I keep re-reading this, thinking it's going to turn out to be a joke. Marr Sep 2013 #33

Word !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #44

Precisely. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #90

It's more like the parallel "Mirror Mirror" universe DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #34

Wonder if he went for it and had an agony booth built sarge43 Sep 2013 #47

"Your agoniser, PLEASE!" n/t DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #106

Photo of the outside of the complex here JBoy Sep 2013 #37

Set phasers on "defund," Mr. Spock... nt Buns_of_Fire Sep 2013 #46

ROFLMAO !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #48

Unfortunately, the budget has a cloaking device. nt Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #53

lol pa28 Sep 2013 #56

Hmmm... "Completion: July 1999" JHB Sep 2013 #50

1999? Why is this a story 14 years later? anneboleyn Sep 2013 #75

Because actual reasons for opposing Alexander are dull and detailed. Easier to get page hits... JHB Sep 2013 #94

Yes it's an Information command HQ hootinholler Sep 2013 #104

No handwave at all. That's EXACTLY what it's for. JHB Sep 2013 #108

Well I'm glad we agree that it's a felatio station hootinholler Sep 2013 #111

Once again, Alexander is Rumsfeld's protege LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #59

LOL !!! - We Are Such Nerds Here !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #61

Sorry, but this isn't registering on my Outrageometer at all. DRoseDARs Sep 2013 #65

You said it perfectly. randome Sep 2013 #69

Yeah... And Junior Air Marshall Alexander Can Use His Decoder Ring To Get Dates.. WillyT Sep 2013 #71

The design of that room is symptomatic of the problems of the NSA that Snowden exposed. RC Sep 2013 #72

Snowden, I'm afraid, was part of the problem. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #120

Snowden exposed the problems RC Sep 2013 #121

Snowden didn't expose SHIT. This stuff covering the NSA was available years ago. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #124

The why didn't anyone know about the excesses and unconstitutional spying the NSA was doing? RC Sep 2013 #130

Because nobody in the media bothered to talk about it much, when Bush was in office. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #132

What ever... RC Sep 2013 #133

".....so as to not be put in prison and possibly tortured as Manning was." Bullshit. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #134

I know this one!!! We slipped into a parallel universe felix_numinous Sep 2013 #70

At least we know where those IRS videos were filmed now... Pholus Sep 2013 #74

What does Alexander need to do to lose his job? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #76

First you must understand who he is accountable to. It isnt to the President. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #128

Think of what NASA might have been able to do with all that money. nt Jasana Sep 2013 #78

NASA's had one of these for years before Star Trek existed JHB Sep 2013 #93

Wouldn't a nice room with padded walls be more apropos for this guy? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #80

why haven't we seen the comics mocking this screwball? grasswire Sep 2013 #82

Here's the view from behind the "Captain's Chair" toward the main screen... hunter Sep 2013 #83

This looks so much like the lab in Dr. Strangelove. Too bad George C. Scott isn't around Doctor_J Sep 2013 #100

Look at all that money they shit down the tubes. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #112

Absolutely. hunter Sep 2013 #114

... Rex Sep 2013 #84

It's got railings! sibelian Sep 2013 #85

LOL! LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #92

No money for food stamps but........ Enthusiast Sep 2013 #86

Go to the Foreign Policy piece GG is commenting on JHB Sep 2013 #95

there's no words. nashville_brook Sep 2013 #96

Our tax dollars at work. (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #97

Meanwhile most Public School Teachers, also public employees, have to buy their own Doctor_J Sep 2013 #98

Where's the Cone of Silence? CanonRay Sep 2013 #101

We ALL want you in the cone of silence. randome Sep 2013 #103

"Information Dominance Center" marions ghost Sep 2013 #102

Unless he's singing "Let the Eagle Soar"... Blanks Sep 2013 #107

Fantasies of power and magic. DirkGently Sep 2013 #113

nerd alert... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #118

Crazy....though I don't think he understood the whole point of Star Trek in the first place.......nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #119