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Maedhros

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156. My evidence is mostly anecdotal, and therefore not probative.

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:56 PM

Sep 2013

There has been a pattern, now and in the past, in which a certain group of posters shows up with the same talking point (e.g. Summers wasn't a nominee, usually folowed by ) and push it relentlessy without engaging in debate. Maybe it comes from everyone reading the same Josh Marshall blog post? I don't know.

In this particular case, the point being drummed home is simply a semantic argument that distracts from the discussion. The assumption behind the posting of the "Summers wasn't a nominee" talking point seems to be that Obama should not be criticized for Summers' presumptive-nominee status because the President didn't actually nominate him. The counter to that point is Obama's prior praise of Summers and the conventional wisdom inside the Beltway that Obama was favoring Summers. Assuming that we all are happy that Summers won't be Fed Chairman, focusing on semantics lends nothing to the discussion of why Summers was considered the presumptive nominee.

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"Summers wasn't the nominee." [View all] WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP

Odd, Sir: I Thought He Had The Nod.... The Magistrate Sep 2013 #1

You would indeed think so, sir, but for the comments here. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #2

Indeed. Chan790 Sep 2013 #6

Shouldn't that be repackaged by Nestle's Water? Jack Rabbit Sep 2013 #93

It's that 'purity' thing again AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #11

He's the establishment choice el_bryanto Sep 2013 #3

You've used that gif a couple times already snooper2 Sep 2013 #4

But it expresses my feelings so well. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #5

He sure as hell isn't the nominee NOW. Autumn Sep 2013 #7

Everyone should make their answers to individual posts sufrommich Sep 2013 #8

I believe William is responding to what appears to be a common, repeated theme Maedhros Sep 2013 #79

"a distributed talking point used by a number of posters likely working in concert to manipulate the Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #151

My evidence is mostly anecdotal, and therefore not probative. Maedhros Sep 2013 #156

Is calling Summers the presumptive nominee so hard? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #157

The dead horse. Maedhros Sep 2013 #162

The Kaboom. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #170

Again, "nominee" or "presumptive nominee" is splitting semantic hairs. Maedhros Sep 2013 #196

Bullshit. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #204

Obama thoughtcrime??????????????????????????????????????????????? cui bono Sep 2013 #198

That is what people are angry with him about concerning Larry Summers. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #200

You've got to be kidding. Is this DU performance art? cui bono Sep 2013 #201

Thank you for telling me how you see me coming off. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #203

Sorry you are tired of hearing criticism, unfortunately it is warranted. cui bono Sep 2013 #207

Thank you for your concern. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #208

"He wasn't the nominee" is a statement of fact. pnwmom Sep 2013 #206

Things not going so well for so many lately. Whisp Sep 2013 #9

_ _ _ Vanje Sep 2013 #13

I totally agree with you. NealK Sep 2013 #95

It's because their Evil Obama Fantasy still hasn't panned out to make them right... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #17

+++1000! touche! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #40

Not going well? What are you talking about? Maedhros Sep 2013 #82

WOW. Phlem Sep 2013 #85

Of course, that must be it... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #108

the Justify My Hate crowd is very unhappy. Whisp Sep 2013 #109

And the Fail At Logic crowd LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #115

And you are pathetic... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #120

ha! Whisp Sep 2013 #121

You are quite welcome... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #126

hahahahha tazkcmo Sep 2013 #127

yah, I know! Whisp Sep 2013 #129

I think that pretty well sums up your argument. Rude emoticons. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #195

Some people need an enemy to fight against. IronLionZion Sep 2013 #135

Wow, where did you pull THAT strawman out from? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #184

It's bizarre - in addition, those of us celebrating his withdrawl from the nomination process are myrna minx Sep 2013 #10

Yep! Right out of Karl Rove's playbook. dgibby Sep 2013 #39

what is bizarre... Whisp Sep 2013 #73

Umm....there was ONE person who commented on Obama's eyebrows, and immediately retracted Maedhros Sep 2013 #84

o yes, it is supporters of Obama that have to 'play nice' Whisp Sep 2013 #87

Don't let them bog you down Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #92

Feel free to call me out if I'm disrespectful and abusive. Maedhros Sep 2013 #98

+10000 Phlem Sep 2013 #113

When did Obama, during the health insurance debate, put his weight behind single payer in any way? NCTraveler Sep 2013 #96

single payer would have had Zero chance Whisp Sep 2013 #97

Avoidance. Good way to reply. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #100

Name me one country with single payer Whisp Sep 2013 #102

I think you posted to the wrong person. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #103

nevermind. Whisp Sep 2013 #106

Saying things only twice would be refreshing from you RetroLounge Sep 2013 #185

The United States, July 30, 1965, bvar22 Sep 2013 #160

the injustice seems to be against common sense. Whisp Sep 2013 #104

Once again, What? NCTraveler Sep 2013 #107

Not boring to me, Whisp. I live in the great BLUE State of Maryland. Yes, one of the Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #123

Thank you. Whisp Sep 2013 #138

But allowing Single Payer advocates to the table... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #110

there are options to states to get a public option like set up, single payer, Whisp Sep 2013 #111

Our President did not fight for a public option... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #125

I just find it really strange that ACA is now under a new attack phase... Whisp Sep 2013 #128

I agree it is amusing... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #130

Um...you should read more about the British NHS... Chan790 Sep 2013 #131

It took time. Whisp Sep 2013 #136

If you want $3000 for your used car, ask for $6000 eridani Sep 2013 #202

strawman corkhead Sep 2013 #177

Not Sure I'm Understanding What the Issue is Here Skraxx Sep 2013 #12

See ... some folks predicted that Summers was definitely, absolutely, positively ... JoePhilly Sep 2013 #22

Ah, I See Skraxx Sep 2013 #25

"Some folks are frustrated." Who is frustrated? Vanje Sep 2013 #29

This Leftie is elated! myrna minx Sep 2013 #42

I'm celebrating! bvar22 Sep 2013 #83

Start a petition. That seems to be working. eom Blanks Sep 2013 #153

The prognosticators aren't as happy as they pretend to be. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #43

Now. I'm only trying to be helpful here.... Vanje Sep 2013 #47

Good advice. NealK Sep 2013 #105

"they take credit for it" quakerboy Sep 2013 #76

Success is Failure. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #80

If They Stopped Him, Then They Should LOVE Obama, He LISTENS To Them!! Skraxx Sep 2013 #94

The same thing happened with CO and WA Cannabis legalization. tridim Sep 2013 #116

What ^^^ he said too! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #41

Either that or it's been a good week for shooting down bad trial baloons. n/t hughee99 Sep 2013 #63

There will be something else to deride Obama and his supporters on.... Sheepshank Sep 2013 #81

Yeah, those 4 members of the Banking Committee... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #119

He was absolutely on the short list. Always was. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #145

"The folks on DU predicted no process,"... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #147

Here BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #159

Oh yes, that fucking nasty troll. Autumn Sep 2013 #163

The OP you link to... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #182

There are the predictors of doom Whisp Sep 2013 #180

You say, "He was never chosen to be nominated."... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #118

Umm, the Disengenuous Resides on those Who Insist Obama Should Get No Credit Skraxx Sep 2013 #139

You said... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #148

Just that we need to have these things happen within the ture and factual framing. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #181

Yeah, he was on Obama's short list. And he was also on Paul Krugman's even shorter list. pnwmom Sep 2013 #14

Thanks for this. But, you know, the ODSers will ignore Krugman's post because it Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #18

"they" are TERRIBLE at predictions.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #44

Whever they got them, those balls have done a grave disservice Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #112

"I have ideas, but I'm not totally sure." Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #117

I would but I'd get banned. I'm sure of it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #124

Oh, please elaborate... RetroLounge Sep 2013 #186

That Rachael Carson was such an alarmist twit about all those bird extinctions, no? eridani Sep 2013 #205

I don't know whether to laugh or....sigh.... *rolling eyes to the sky* Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #209

Krugman: "... both Janet and Larry have good credentials on those grounds.." Cha Sep 2013 #154

Lately, I've noticed a fair amount of this also... progressoid Sep 2013 #15

Oh yes! Vanje Sep 2013 #20

This a perfect example of why urges from the Pep Squad to 'reserve judgement' are imbecilic. Marr Sep 2013 #16

They're taking credit for our work on the President's behalf Hydra Sep 2013 #19

Thank you so much, Marr. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #90

The Left made a dent and the Usual Suspects are hating on us for it! Rex Sep 2013 #21

I see several :rofl: smilies in your future Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #23

And :roll: and :eyes: Rex Sep 2013 #26

I think DU should offer a "trash by smiley" feature Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #28

You know that would be about a third of all posts. Rex Sep 2013 #31

I know they constitute majority of some posters' vocab Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #33

Maybe instead of a hide, there could be a flag over the reply title Rex Sep 2013 #34

And the :rofl: finally makes an appearance! Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #114

About 6 weeks ago, I 'Ad-Blocked' the ROFL smilie Metatron Sep 2013 #86

The ROFL smiley has already been trashed zeemike Sep 2013 #78

The :rofl: smiley is usually deployed in a desperate, childish attempt.. bvar22 Sep 2013 #164

I'll do this one for you MNBrewer Sep 2013 #51

Dang Rabblerousers...just stirring up the trouble pot. At least we're finally on the radar. libdem4life Sep 2013 #24

He wasn't, and it's cause for celebration. ProSense Sep 2013 #27

Exhibit #1 dkf Sep 2013 #30

Don't like facts? ProSense Sep 2013 #35

And exhibits 2-100000. dkf Sep 2013 #46

LOL! ProSense Sep 2013 #77

He was Obama's number one pick for the position. Rex Sep 2013 #36

Link? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #38

Here ya go, not that it will make any difference in your mind. Rex Sep 2013 #55

That's a rumor about him being a "top contender." n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #62

Like I said, I knew it would make no difference to you. Rex Sep 2013 #134

Here you go... adirondacker Sep 2013 #57

More ProSense Sep 2013 #65

And the previous paragraph... adirondacker Sep 2013 #69

Rumor, and the claim he doesn't know her enough to appoint her is silly. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #71

You're right about the celebration Vanje Sep 2013 #45

spinny, spinny, spinny. It's your raison d'etre. cali Sep 2013 #48

Ah, yes ProSense Sep 2013 #66

bwahahahahahaha. yeah, sure. the President didn't have him on his short list, pro cali Sep 2013 #68

Who said "the President didn't have him on his short list"? ProSense Sep 2013 #75

I give you this much, Prosense Vanje Sep 2013 #143

LOL tridim Sep 2013 #122

projection much? cali Sep 2013 #132

I have been correct about everything Obama has done. tridim Sep 2013 #133

Exhibit A RetroLounge Sep 2013 #187

Summer wasn't the nominee = whaaaa boo hoo whaaaa. Rex Sep 2013 #32

I think I'll send a letter to the President too, withdrawing my name from consideration MNBrewer Sep 2013 #37

Lol! nt Vanje Sep 2013 #49

LOL Maven Sep 2013 #70

But he wasn't the nominee tammywammy Sep 2013 #50

It's called "deflection" MNBrewer Sep 2013 #54

/\ This is an insightful post. Vanje Sep 2013 #140

So Summers withdrew his name from what then exactly? Rex Sep 2013 #60

He withdrew from consideration to be the nominee. tammywammy Sep 2013 #61

What do facts have to do with it? pnwmom Sep 2013 #165

Yeah heaven05 Sep 2013 #52

When you are a true believer the outcome was always designed by Obama anyway. dkf Sep 2013 #53

Obama works in mysterious ways Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #56

I think he's probably a time traveler Vanje Sep 2013 #59

Yes it DOES explains a lot... NealK Sep 2013 #91

Thank God you stopped the nomination... SidDithers Sep 2013 #58

You can usually do better than that. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #72

No Phlem Sep 2013 #89

Thank you for the accurate post title. nt MineralMan Sep 2013 #64

Sadly, though, it sounds like the woman who will get the nod is ALSO a Wall Street Darling ... Myrina Sep 2013 #67

I've got balls that dingle dongle dangle... Whisp Sep 2013 #74

Nice post. Phlem Sep 2013 #88

Ha Ha gopiscrap Sep 2013 #99

And even if he was the nominee.... vi5 Sep 2013 #101

So right! Obama said, "Icky yuck get away from me Summers!" Rex Sep 2013 #137

"Larry, Who???" Vanje Sep 2013 #144

"Summers wasn't the nominee, he withdrew his name from Rex Sep 2013 #141

From CNBC: He may not have been Wall Street's choice; Yellen may be. pampango Sep 2013 #142

As usual, we've all been played. I'm pretty sure about that. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2013 #155

Such a vindictive streak lately. great white snark Sep 2013 #146

I know. I am really trying to figure out the endless stream of petty, baffling OPs from this one Number23 Sep 2013 #190

If the facts get in the way of your daily outrage, by all means, dispense with the facts. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #149

Here are some more "facts": bvar22 Sep 2013 #161

So? That was six weeks ago and Obama still hadn't nominated him. But he didn't think Summers pnwmom Sep 2013 #166

None of those facts show that Larry Summers was the nominee. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #172

you mights as well try to reason with Sean Hannity Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #150

Obama's re-election advisers were working to promote Summers muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #152

Mr. Pitt, I believe the problem is that those who opposed Summers have not offered obeisance. djean111 Sep 2013 #158

No, the problem is that it's a fact that Summers was not ever the nominee. pnwmom Sep 2013 #168

So the reports that Obama "vigorously defended" Summers in private, and that Summers requested a djean111 Sep 2013 #169

"It is disingenuous to say that Summers was never the nominee." The truth is disingenous? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #171

It seemed to many that Summers was going to be the nominee, like, for instance, those Dems djean111 Sep 2013 #173

I am saying that Summers was only the presumptive nominee. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #175

That's just splitting hairs and is pointless. But okay, Summers is out of the running! Hurray! djean111 Sep 2013 #176

They could very well be correct. So what? I would vigorously defend an employee or friend of mine pnwmom Sep 2013 #178

LOVE YA WILLIAM Skittles Sep 2013 #167

3 Dimension Contorting La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #174

C'mon Will. I used to respect you and your writing so much jazzimov Sep 2013 #179

I'm pretty sure he doesn't care that you are "beginning to question" anything RetroLounge Sep 2013 #188

Summers not being the nominee is a win for everyone The Second Stone Sep 2013 #183

Oops-- mispost. Marr Sep 2013 #197

Seriously, it BOGgles the mind. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #189

This message was self-deleted by its author Safetykitten Sep 2013 #191

... RetroLounge Sep 2013 #192

By mistake I posted in response to you...I will correct. Safetykitten Sep 2013 #193

... Marr Sep 2013 #199

Agree completely Safetykitten Sep 2013 #194