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quakerboy

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168. I appreciate your explanation

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:31 PM

Sep 2013

I would differ with you on a few points, but I think I get what you are saying.

point one of differing... Were people trapped in enclosed spaces(elevators) in high temperatures, for extended periods of time, without warning? If so, I would say that the people were put in harms way. Not the populace as a whole, but I still think it would qualify, and any injury or illness should be on the heads of those who made the choice.

Second point of differing.. By what Ive read, It sounds like this was primarily reported locally as a accidental/unpreventable outage. The remarks re the nature of the event(ie "teaching a lesson&quot do not seem to have made major news locally. Perhaps I am wrong, and you can correct me on that. But assuming that I am correct in this, Why would people get pissed off about an unpreventable accident.. Change the context, and you might change the response.

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Class action suit. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2013 #2

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You mean "Democracy by other means". TheMadMonk Sep 2013 #153

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Nowling is, though. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #82

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Incredible Oilwellian Sep 2013 #31

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I'll trade you an extra pitchfork for a torch SwankyXomb Sep 2013 #41

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I was at the the Coleman Young Municpal Building etherealtruth Sep 2013 #118

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If you do some research on this etherealtruth Sep 2013 #145

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We in the area are used to this with the Detoit Lighting Department etherealtruth Sep 2013 #169

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LOL. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #179

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K & R Raksha Sep 2013 #70

Recced. nt livingwagenow Sep 2013 #72

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Google WDIV Detroit, WXYZ Detroit and the Detroit News etherealtruth Sep 2013 #164

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Oh, oh, oh i am sorry etherealtruth Sep 2013 #167

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This message was self-deleted by its author Enthusiast Sep 2013 #102

This is so fucking disgusting, I wish there were a recourse for this kind of shit. nt LaydeeBug Sep 2013 #105

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Pilot city for the future of all American cities. nt valerief Sep 2013 #111

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Most of the City of Detroit ... etherealtruth Sep 2013 #122

Sounds like our Super is in charge of Detroit. yellerpup Sep 2013 #119

I hope he gets sued and thrown in prison. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #124

very, very evil uncaring people heaven05 Sep 2013 #125

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Is there any real proof that: the power outage was caused by the emergency manager Bay Boy Sep 2013 #146

it's bullshit TorchTheWitch Sep 2013 #155

You have no idea how much I appreciate your post etherealtruth Sep 2013 #170

If there aren't any lampposts to hang the SOB from upside down, KamaAina Sep 2013 #157

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That would be an act of terrorism! B Calm Sep 2013 #165