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In reply to the discussion: Concealed carry permit holder kills 13, wounds more. [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)95. I will agree that firearms make murdering someone easier. ...
but if a person is determined to murder there are many ways to accomplish the goal.
I remember an incident that happened 30 years ago in Tampa.
Thirty years later, memory of Winn-Dixie fire, Billy Ferry still vivid
Monday, July 1, 2013 2:44pm
***snip***
But what happened that drizzly evening July 2, 1983 is still well remembered by many longtime Tampa Bay residents.
It was the day a man named John William "Billy" Ferry Jr. a drifter who lived in the woods near the Winn-Dixie walked in carrying a bucket full of gasoline, doused customers and employees, and flicked a cigarette lighter.
For that, the 60-year-old schizophrenic remains in prison serving five life sentences one for each person who died in the ensuing blaze.
***snip***
Thirteen others suffered severe burns but survived.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/thirty-years-later-memory-of-winn-dixie-fire-billy-ferry-still-vivid/2129443
Explosives were used in the largest school mas murder in our nation's history.
Bath School disaster
The Bath School disaster is the historical name of the violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan, that killed 38 elementary school children and six adults in total, and injured at least 58 other people.[Note 1] Kehoe first killed his wife, fire-bombed his farm and set off a major explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final explosion in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.[1][2]...emphasis added
Andrew Kehoe, the 55-year-old school board treasurer, was angry after his defeat in the spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat and he had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. In addition, in June 1926 he was notified that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed.[3] For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed Kehoe had stopped working on his farm and thought he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe purchased explosives and discreetly planted them on his property and under the school.
Kehoe's wife was ill with tuberculosis, he had stopped making mortgage payments, and he was under pressure for foreclosure. Some time between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927, Kehoe murdered his wife by hitting her on the head with a blunt object. On the morning of May 18 at about 8:45 a.m., he set off various incendiary devices on his homestead that caused the house and other farm buildings to be destroyed by the explosives' blast and the subsequent fires.
Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing 36 schoolchildren and two teachers. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite hundreds of pounds of dynamite and incendiary proton, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers began working at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol connected to a timing device set to detonate at the same time as the first explosions; the material was hidden throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the entire school.
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Somebody refresh my memory--how many times has a "good guy with a gun" ended a shooting spree?
tclambert
Sep 2013
#90
I bet you Conceal Carry holders commit crimes at a lower rate than the average citizen. n-t
Logical
Sep 2013
#2
Crime has gone down. But MASS SHOOTINGS like this have doubled since the AWB expired.
SunSeeker
Sep 2013
#97
So , really, your solution is to collect all the guns. Wow, brilliant idea. Let me know how that....
Logical
Sep 2013
#46
I'd bet they commit more crimes than people who could qualify for a CC but don't.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#14
that is a lot of unsecured guns- illegally sold or taken from idiots who did not properly secure
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#57
But not less than those who qualify for a permit, but don't need a gun in their pants
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#92
Suppressing my anger at the oblviousness, the callous disregard for fact and logical intervention...
hlthe2b
Sep 2013
#5
A high percentage of the murders in our nation are caused by drug gangs fighting over turf. ...
spin
Sep 2013
#115
So what are your solutions or suggestions to solve the problem of gun violence ...
spin
Sep 2013
#134
A different question, but I think all handguns and semi-automatics should be registered.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#135
While possibly a worthwhile idea, the registration of all handguns and semi-automatic ...
spin
Sep 2013
#137
There has been a strong push for gun control and this push has led to increased sales ...
spin
Sep 2013
#143
More CCWers commit gun murders than those who qualify for a permit, but realise gunz aren't necessar
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#93
Simple, gun nuts tell us permit holders are more law-abiding than general population. But
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#100
I don't accept that at all. Looks like your trying to start an argument from over here.
Tiredofthesame
Sep 2013
#129
Statistics back up the fact that permit holders are more law-abiding than the general ...
spin
Sep 2013
#136
Yeah, but not more law-abiding than those who could, but have the good sense not to carry.
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#139
Use common-sense. You have Zimmerman, Loughner, Alexis, JT Ready, etc., in your group.
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#148
The fact is that you do not need a concealed weapons permit to conceal and carry ...
spin
Sep 2013
#149
Melted down, can you imagine how many falling down bridges could be rebuild from the recycled steel?
RC
Sep 2013
#61
""100% of the people shot at the Navy yard today can thank a person who eats meat." "
zappaman
Sep 2013
#30
Yep, and in many states you can't walk around with those, but yahoos can carry a gun.
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#94
OH, for god's sakes. 13 people are dead this time from your hobby. Can't you just admit
Squinch
Sep 2013
#41
He said he had an "anger-fueled blackout" in 2004 when he shot out a man's tires.
SunSeeker
Sep 2013
#72
Read he'd complained of his neighbor making noise, then she was using a paper shredder, and bang.
freshwest
Sep 2013
#83
Don't they have a secret shrine where they can go to worship these achievers? Nt.
Blue Idaho
Sep 2013
#53
A little late to the show but it's popcorn time now ...like all these threads are.
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#65
You should add Previously arrested known PTSD victim and concealed carry holder
malaise
Sep 2013
#82
Today, a man was murdered by his neighbor (another concealed carry holder?) over a parking space
ecstatic
Sep 2013
#88
And like every other time, you didn't need it. Polluting society with more gunz is OK with you.
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#102
It's too bad one of those "good guys with a gun" frequently isn't around when you need them
AndyA
Sep 2013
#104
Cue gundamentalists spouting NRA talking points ins 5. . .4. . .3. . .2. . .1. . .
Nanjing to Seoul
Sep 2013
#107
Reported he took officers handgun, got the Ar-15 from the guard station...
Historic NY
Sep 2013
#110
Sorry, making sense is not what some people want - they thrive on emotion and pain
The Straight Story
Sep 2013
#155