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Recursion

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Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:39 PM Sep 2013

What security clearances are about [View all]

Since this has come up in the Snowden case and the Navy Yard shooting, I wanted to correct what seems to be a common misconception. The primary information gathered in a clearance process is about foreign connections and travel. That's what they are looking for most and that's what they care about. Yes, it's an outdated mindset. Unfortunately it's what we have right now.

You can, if you want, download the form you have to fill out for a clearance (you can't turn it in to anyone without a sponsoring government agency):

http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf

Clearances are not an attempt to find intrinsically trustworthy people. I can't stress that enough. Clearances are an attempt to find the people least vulnerable to undue foreign influence. They ask about criminal history, drug use, credit history and debt, etc., but mostly because they are worried that these could be used to blackmail you.

I don't think this is a particularly great system, but it's the system we have.

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Mostly it seems to be about accounting for every place you have lived your entire adult lifetime... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #1
When the check was done on my son it was pretty involved Marrah_G Sep 2013 #2
They're saying the attacker only had Secret. The check for that is pretty perfunctory Recursion Sep 2013 #4
I hope they are rethinking their policies on this Marrah_G Sep 2013 #6
The whole process has been outdated for at least 20 years Recursion Sep 2013 #8
There are specific questions about arrests and firearms arrest. bottomofthehill Sep 2013 #3
A "yes" to either one doesn't disqualify, it just warrants further investigation Recursion Sep 2013 #5
Right, but once looked into it should bottomofthehill Sep 2013 #10
That's what I'm getting at: you're looking to the clearance process to be something it's not Recursion Sep 2013 #11
They also ask mental health issues bottomofthehill Sep 2013 #7
Someone's father stating that does not equal an actual diagnosis Recursion Sep 2013 #9
Agreed, fathers comment is not a diagnosis, and one has to be careful with mental health issues bottomofthehill Sep 2013 #12
Was he ever treated for it? HipChick Sep 2013 #13
According to reports on tv he was treated several times by the VA. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #14
The security world is still hyper homophobic because for years they listed being gay Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #15
Yup (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #16
Loved your India shots, would love to go there. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #17
You all are treating a clearance as 'one big thing' LannyDeVaney Sep 2013 #18
I conducted SSBI's (background checks) for USOPM (actually a contractor) NightWatcher Sep 2013 #19
This is enlightening. Raine1967 Sep 2013 #21
I dont like that money is the driver instead of a quality product NightWatcher Sep 2013 #22
Thanks for this, Recursion. Raine1967 Sep 2013 #20
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