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The Navy and the FBI fucked up [View all] Marrah_G Sep 2013 OP

I fully agree gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1

+1000000 riverwalker Sep 2013 #2

Clearances are mostly about contact with foreigners and foreign governments Recursion Sep 2013 #3

They're also about criminal records.... MADem Sep 2013 #5

That's more about blackmail than the act itself Recursion Sep 2013 #6

I know a guy who got bounced for an indecent exposure charge...! MADem Sep 2013 #8

Yikes. My credit score was I think 3 but that wasn't a problem Recursion Sep 2013 #10

^^ This ^^ oldhippie Sep 2013 #54

Uh, wrong. The first thing looked at are criminal records. The prob with this shooter is that he was Nay Sep 2013 #12

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Well, your post certainly qualifies for "anger issues." Nevernose Sep 2013 #17

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Which category would you place gay people in? Mental issues, violence or quasi criminal? jtuck004 Sep 2013 #16

Point of fact, gay 'conduct' got a person OTH discharge, gay identity got Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #34

General Discharge atreides1 Sep 2013 #58

I heard on the TV that he petitioned to upgrade that general, as one can do after six months, MADem Sep 2013 #79

Man. Is there ANY part of the status quo that you don't defend? Any part at all? Romulox Sep 2013 #39

Wow, you read that as a defense? Recursion Sep 2013 #40

You're attempting to explain away people's outrage at the system's failure. Romulox Sep 2013 #41

Interesting Recursion Sep 2013 #43

Don't think he bought his gun legally onenote Sep 2013 #4

Discharge from the Reserves? elleng Sep 2013 #7

Yes for "Misconduct Issues" DURHAM D Sep 2013 #21

Just saw this: elleng Sep 2013 #51

He did have a carry permit, didn't he? Hoyt Sep 2013 #31

Reports this am he purchased a gun in Lorton VA this past week maddezmom Sep 2013 #33

Yes, he bought the shotgun legally NickB79 Sep 2013 #99

He purchased a "legal" shotgun. If it was sawn off, he did it later. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #112

There are some serious questions sarisataka Sep 2013 #9

No the thing is he had clearance and they never took it away malaise Sep 2013 #92

Crazy hardly begins to define it nt sarisataka Sep 2013 #115

I think he is a prime example Heather MC Sep 2013 #11

BINGO! RC Sep 2013 #13

As far as we can tell there is no political motive nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #24

guns kardonb Sep 2013 #14

Once again, people do not walk armed nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #25

Wrong My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #26

Security force does not translate to all and everybody is armed nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #27

You assume I'm not familiar with Navy Yards? My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #28

Obviously you are not. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #30

+1 pintobean Sep 2013 #32

Marines guarding nearby DC facility JPZenger Sep 2013 #38

What is even funnier is that no one even said that.... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #46

Keep pintobean Sep 2013 #48

feel free to repeat NRA talking points.... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #44

Welcome to ignore list nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #52

Don't forget your ball. My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #59

Excuse me!? What NRA talking points? NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #69

I think we can safely say after a few days have past..... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #74

LOL. You couldn't be more wrong. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #75

Not a subject to laugh about really... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #80

BS pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #88

Yes....an Office Complex with Military Security My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #90

You lost several posts back, give up. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #93

The Navy Yard is the Office Surrounding the Washington Navy Yard My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #97

What you call an office, we usually call neighborhoods. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #98

You got nothing.... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #101

LOL. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #103

LOL. Still wrong. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #91

Huh? My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #100

Double Down baby! NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #105

That's a pretty thin reed you've latched onto My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #106

You missed the point so long ago. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #108

"That you chose to argue with me is hilarious"? My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #110

Heh. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #116

You consider yourself a.... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #45

Only the people whose jobs require arms are armed. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #60

Gunman killed Police Office to Gain Entry My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #64

"shot his way into an office building" HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #68

First, this was not an active military base per se NickB79 Sep 2013 #102

What are your thoughts on how shooter was immediately confronted at WNY? My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #107

Rec. JoeyT Sep 2013 #19

If you are under the impression that the FBI does the background checks DURHAM D Sep 2013 #22

+! struggle4progress Sep 2013 #29

cARLYLE gROUP owns the contract for the US office of Personnel Management elehhhhna Sep 2013 #35

There are so many TS and Above TS given that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #23

Many people have trouble getting security clearance becauses costs employers too much money JPZenger Sep 2013 #36

My son is one of those Marrah_G Sep 2013 #42

Don't get in a twist about secret clearance Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #37

it was a private (for profit) contractor who hired him as they hire many civies, ex. military.. Sunlei Sep 2013 #47

Are "small and disadvantaged business" subcontractor employees given extra slack? FarCenter Sep 2013 #49

oh probably, no 'felony' already cuts to much slack for all contractors. Sunlei Sep 2013 #55

The private company did not give him the clearance Marrah_G Sep 2013 #50

the clearance company is probably contracted too and a lot of slackers in those desk jobs Sunlei Sep 2013 #53

I was under the impression that the FBI does the clearance checks Marrah_G Sep 2013 #57

Actually, it's the Defense Security Service ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #63

Curious Marrah_G Sep 2013 #65

No, he wasn't shocked .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #67

No. It is not the FBI - that stopped way last century. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #66

The FBI still does in-person interviews for TS/SCI clearances. n/t tammywammy Sep 2013 #83

Thankyou for the info pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #86

That's strange, as I have been involved in many TS/SCI ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #94

I've personally been interviewed for three or four times in the last four years. tammywammy Sep 2013 #95

I'm curious then about your general location .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #96

Part of this problem fredamae Sep 2013 #56

Exactly however you missed the elephant in the room which is profit motive, companies cutting snagglepuss Sep 2013 #70

I absolutely did! Thx :) fredamae Sep 2013 #71

what would it take to stop things like this? finding under 10 in over 300,000,000 people alc Sep 2013 #61

Fox defeatism. Orsino Sep 2013 #62

I think a better question is why squander political capital on mass shootings sir pball Sep 2013 #72

Because little or no political capital exists for fighting the daily shootings. Orsino Sep 2013 #73

Note that the Navy gave him an Honorable discharge. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #76

Like any form of background check- it is only as good as the data Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #77

The FBI did not issue the clearance Sienna86 Sep 2013 #78

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Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #82

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Yeah you won't get any agreement from me. gopiscrap Sep 2013 #85

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Off to ignore you go, right along with your nra talking points Marrah_G Sep 2013 #89

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The "common sense" Inquisitors have ruled: You are one of Them. Resistance is futile. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #114

The Navy and the FBI did not investigate. A Private corporation approved the security clearance. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #104

The Navy did indeed fuck up- The FBI fucked up by allowing clearance to be privatized Marrah_G Sep 2013 #111

You are right. Mine was done by the FBI (USN retired) Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #113