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In reply to the discussion: Concealed carry permit holder kills 13, wounds more. [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)125. Let's examine the drug gang problem further. ...
National Youth Gang Survey Analysis
Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems
Estimated Number of Gangs
Respondents provided information regarding the number of active gangs in their jurisdictions during each survey year.
Over the past decade, annual estimates of the number of gangs have averaged around 25,000 nationally.
Following a yearly decline from 1996 to a low in 2003, annual estimates steadily increased through 2011.
The most recent estimate of nearly 30,000 gangs represents a 12 percent increase from 2006 and is the highest annual estimate since 1997.
http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Measuring-the-Extent-of-Gang-Problems#estimatednumbergangs
National Youth Gang Survey Analysis
Gang-Related Offenses
Gang-Related Crime
Respondents provided information regarding gang-related crimes in their jurisdictions. The figure presents the percentage of agencies reporting an increase from 2010 to 2011.
Among agencies reporting a gang problem, approximately half also reported an increase in nonlethal gang-related violent crime (48 percent) and gang-related property crime (51 percent) from 2010 to 2011.
Around one-third (33 percent) of the agencies reported an increase in drug offenses.
Across all gang-related crimes, most frequently, no significant change was reported from the preceding year (results not shown in figure).
http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Gang-Related-Offenses#crime
I like to use Chicago as a good example of drug gang violence. Chicago is fairly unique in that for many years it had extremely strong gun laws. It was almost impossible for an honest, law abiding citizen to own a handgun (the firearm most commonly used for crime).
August 23, 2012 7:19 PM
Mexican drug cartels fight turf battles in Chicago
By Armen Keteyian
***snip***
Riley is special agent in charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration Office in Chicago and in four neighboring state
Daily turf battles over drugs and distribution, he said, are turning parts of this Midwest city into a Mexican border town.
***snip***
As it stands now, at least three major Mexican cartels are battling over control of billions of dollars of marijuana, cocaine and -- increasingly -- heroin in this city. That includes the ultra-violent Zetas and the powerful Sinaloa cartel, run by its shadowy leader Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.
***snip***
More than ever, Chicago's problem is turning into a Midwest problem. Cartel operations are also spreading to Milwaukee, St. Louis and Detroit
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57499523/mexican-drug-cartels-fight-turf-battles-in-chicago/
Network of drug gangs likely responsible for most of city`s violence
Posted: Jun 17, 2013 9:25 PM EDT Updated: Jul 08, 2013 5:06 PM EDT
By Mike Flannery, FOX 32 News Political Editor - bio | email
Fewer than 2,000 utterly ruthless, well-armed bad guys may be causing a majority of Chicago's homicides. They're shooting and killing each other, motivated in part by profits from illegal drug sales, according to a veteran criminologist who has worked closely with the Chicago Police Department.
When they began rounding up 41 leaders of a notorious gang last week that allegedly grossed $11 million a year running open-air heroin and cocaine markets on the West Side, it was hailed as a law enforcement landmark, the first use of a new Illinois law designed to target a small cadre of the most violent criminals.
"There's probably 1,500 to 2,000 that are in a network of individuals that are continuously interacting in a negative way and at risk of shooting someone or being shot themselves," Professor Dennis P. Rosenbaum says.
Though he sometimes speaks like the UIC college professor he is, Dennis Rosenbaum has worked closely with the Chicago Police to understand the city's bloody-minded drug gangs. Rising to rule a gang requires an utter ruthlessness, emulated by the wannabe's in gang-dominated neighborhoods, especially in warmer weather when more residents are outside, watching.
Read more: http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/22615476/bloody-minded-drug-gangs-likely-responsible-for-most-of-citys-violence#ixzz2f9y1JXKG
I notice that you tend to concentrate on gun homicides more than gun violence. In Chicago many of the gun violence incidents involve drive-by shootings. Gang members are not known for their ability to target shoot so frequently many innocent bystanders are wounded or killed.
Chicago Suffered One Shooting Every 3.6 Hours In 2012
February 15, 2013 - 3:15 PM
According to police data reported by the Sun Times, Chicago experienced a shooting every 3.57 hours in 2012.
The Sun Times reports that the number of murders in the city of Chicago for 2012 was 506, or more than one per day and nearly 10 per week.
The number of shootings however, was almost five times the number of homicides with police reporting 2,460 for the year.
There were 366 days in 2012 or 8,784 hours. That means that Chicago experienced a shooting every 3.57 hours.
- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/chicago-suffered-one-shooting-every-36-hours-2012#sthash.xpqkltfC.dpuf
I also noticed that you avoided addressing my solutions to the problem of gun violence in our nation.
I advocate attempting to pass a national requirement for universal background checks on the sale of all firearms in our nation. I also wish to see major improvements to our NICS background check system which would include better financing and a requirement that the states input the names of violent crimes and those legally adjudged as having severe mental problems on a timely basis. The BATF is mismanaged, underfunded and understaffed. Fixing the BATF is also one of my priorities. I would also like to see stronger efforts made to curtail the straw purchase and smuggling of firearms and increased penalties for these activities.
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Somebody refresh my memory--how many times has a "good guy with a gun" ended a shooting spree?
tclambert
Sep 2013
#90
I bet you Conceal Carry holders commit crimes at a lower rate than the average citizen. n-t
Logical
Sep 2013
#2
Crime has gone down. But MASS SHOOTINGS like this have doubled since the AWB expired.
SunSeeker
Sep 2013
#97
So , really, your solution is to collect all the guns. Wow, brilliant idea. Let me know how that....
Logical
Sep 2013
#46
I'd bet they commit more crimes than people who could qualify for a CC but don't.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#14
that is a lot of unsecured guns- illegally sold or taken from idiots who did not properly secure
bettyellen
Sep 2013
#57
But not less than those who qualify for a permit, but don't need a gun in their pants
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#92
Suppressing my anger at the oblviousness, the callous disregard for fact and logical intervention...
hlthe2b
Sep 2013
#5
A high percentage of the murders in our nation are caused by drug gangs fighting over turf. ...
spin
Sep 2013
#115
So what are your solutions or suggestions to solve the problem of gun violence ...
spin
Sep 2013
#134
A different question, but I think all handguns and semi-automatics should be registered.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#135
While possibly a worthwhile idea, the registration of all handguns and semi-automatic ...
spin
Sep 2013
#137
There has been a strong push for gun control and this push has led to increased sales ...
spin
Sep 2013
#143
More CCWers commit gun murders than those who qualify for a permit, but realise gunz aren't necessar
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#93
Simple, gun nuts tell us permit holders are more law-abiding than general population. But
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#100
I don't accept that at all. Looks like your trying to start an argument from over here.
Tiredofthesame
Sep 2013
#129
Statistics back up the fact that permit holders are more law-abiding than the general ...
spin
Sep 2013
#136
Yeah, but not more law-abiding than those who could, but have the good sense not to carry.
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#139
Use common-sense. You have Zimmerman, Loughner, Alexis, JT Ready, etc., in your group.
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#148
The fact is that you do not need a concealed weapons permit to conceal and carry ...
spin
Sep 2013
#149
Melted down, can you imagine how many falling down bridges could be rebuild from the recycled steel?
RC
Sep 2013
#61
""100% of the people shot at the Navy yard today can thank a person who eats meat." "
zappaman
Sep 2013
#30
Yep, and in many states you can't walk around with those, but yahoos can carry a gun.
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#94
OH, for god's sakes. 13 people are dead this time from your hobby. Can't you just admit
Squinch
Sep 2013
#41
He said he had an "anger-fueled blackout" in 2004 when he shot out a man's tires.
SunSeeker
Sep 2013
#72
Read he'd complained of his neighbor making noise, then she was using a paper shredder, and bang.
freshwest
Sep 2013
#83
Don't they have a secret shrine where they can go to worship these achievers? Nt.
Blue Idaho
Sep 2013
#53
A little late to the show but it's popcorn time now ...like all these threads are.
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#65
You should add Previously arrested known PTSD victim and concealed carry holder
malaise
Sep 2013
#82
Today, a man was murdered by his neighbor (another concealed carry holder?) over a parking space
ecstatic
Sep 2013
#88
And like every other time, you didn't need it. Polluting society with more gunz is OK with you.
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#102
It's too bad one of those "good guys with a gun" frequently isn't around when you need them
AndyA
Sep 2013
#104
Cue gundamentalists spouting NRA talking points ins 5. . .4. . .3. . .2. . .1. . .
Nanjing to Seoul
Sep 2013
#107
Reported he took officers handgun, got the Ar-15 from the guard station...
Historic NY
Sep 2013
#110
Sorry, making sense is not what some people want - they thrive on emotion and pain
The Straight Story
Sep 2013
#155