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87. Chemical weapons don't kill people...

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Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:12 AM

Sep 2013

that's why responsible people need them to keep us all safe..

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A (DU) minority view on guns. [View all] Skip Intro Sep 2013 OP

it never ends Skittles Sep 2013 #1

There are fundamentally differeing views on this. n/t Skip Intro Sep 2013 #2

NO SHIT Skittles Sep 2013 #3

well don't bite my head off... Skip Intro Sep 2013 #5

regular mass shooting bother me Skittles Sep 2013 #6

They bother everyone. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #8

well you have lots of people who agree with you Skittles Sep 2013 #9

You're better than name-calling, Skittles. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #13

You are the company you keep, and defend and promote. morningfog Sep 2013 #40

That applies to everyone equally, right? N/T beevul Sep 2013 #107

Right, thats why European nations have such high gun related deaths too... Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #17

"The reality is the world is a dangerous place." delrem Sep 2013 #29

America is a more dangerous place than most of the world. EOTE Sep 2013 #60

Do they bother you? CreekDog Sep 2013 #165

We've tried the way of the gun nut shitheads...it is a manifest failure alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #59

Devils Advocate... GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #160

Good post...but this isn't your first rodeo. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #4

Well thanks. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #7

That's pretty much it. You nailed it. N/T Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #22

And those three days will also be full of Scootaloo Sep 2013 #35

THIS kind of analysis... bluedeathray Sep 2013 #61

Yes, murder is a problem that can be (largely) fixed. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #69

just to hit a couple of points, POBOYSAMMICH Sep 2013 #117

I think those are largely false equivalencies. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #122

thank you POBOYSAMMICH Sep 2013 #123

It is better than the other side's year round fetish. morningfog Sep 2013 #39

"Libertarian" Greenwald fan taunting a "libertarian" gun owner Kolesar Sep 2013 #44

I am no libertarian, with or without quotes. morningfog Sep 2013 #48

Yeah, it's no fun when someone lumps you in with a group you have nothing to do with, Bazinga Sep 2013 #54

I reserve the gunnut label for those who align themselves with the NRA. Those who block and morningfog Sep 2013 #56

Problem is, "sensible gun reform" has become a code phrase for an extreme wish list derby378 Sep 2013 #118

1 hundred times yes. N/T beevul Sep 2013 #124

As long as you get to define 'sensible', right? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #137

Do you think something needs to be done about guns in this country? EOTE Sep 2013 #62

+1. prefunk Sep 2013 #76

Thanks for the amateur psychoanalysis. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #93

Anyone with such a fetish can get aroused by the power of a gun. morningfog Sep 2013 #100

+100 nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #90

What is concerning to me is that these are people on the edge whether they use a gun or some other dkf Sep 2013 #10

Convicts in gun crimes should go to jail for decades Kolesar Sep 2013 #45

It certainly is a people problem BainsBane Sep 2013 #11

Many lives have been saved because someone had a gun Skip Intro Sep 2013 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #19

Wow!! FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #31

It's the "Pew, pulled it out of his *** " survey ... eom Kolesar Sep 2013 #46

There ARE statistics FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #58

Well, there's a couple of fundamental issues there. krispos42 Sep 2013 #86

200? FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #152

I got it from a Bureau of Justice Statistics report krispos42 Sep 2013 #158

Incorrect. beevul Sep 2013 #128

Nope FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #153

Nope. beevul Sep 2013 #156

Provide data that indicates more people have been saved through defensive use of weapons BainsBane Sep 2013 #36

Where would this country be if not for guns ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #134

is it too much ask that gun owners only kill each other and not innocent bystanders? really nt msongs Sep 2013 #12

Do you suppose that if such an arrangment were reached, the rest of you AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #24

How about a moon colony? BainsBane Sep 2013 #37

Look, I am just shy of being a total pacifist Threedifferentones Sep 2013 #57

Good point about their attacking up BainsBane Sep 2013 #98

That high up in the gravity well, we won't NEED nukes. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #75

Nope, just trying to be amenable BainsBane Sep 2013 #99

Yes. I do. Squinch Sep 2013 #136

Actually, many of the gun deaths that occur in the U.S. Jenoch Sep 2013 #105

Actually 22 America's Were Killed Today By Guns otohara Sep 2013 #14

I have liability insurance on AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #25

Actually zero people were killed by guns. NM_Birder Sep 2013 #131

Spare Me The NRA Talking Points otohara Sep 2013 #145

be sure to watch the world series, bats will hit home runs. NM_Birder Sep 2013 #147

High Gun Ownership Makes Countries Less Safe otohara Sep 2013 #161

My comparison between baseball bats and firearms............. NM_Birder Sep 2013 #162

A million times 'Yes" GCP Sep 2013 #154

I am not embarrassed of my country, I am not a ... NM_Birder Sep 2013 #163

I recall seeing that every day over 30 die from gun violence LittleBlue Sep 2013 #16

I disagree - you do not have a right to forms of self-defense that endanger others. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #20

More right than you know. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #26

A gun is a pretty damn destructive device. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #96

Ah, but you missed your own criteria. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #97

For the sake of argument, lets say that you are 100% correct. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #113

First of all, I don't think it's *politically* viable. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #120

yeah youre right Eko Sep 2013 #21

Not this s#1+ again intaglio Sep 2013 #23

The only appropriate use for some of these guns is to kill as many people as possible and as quickly Skidmore Sep 2013 #27

You say "The whole purpose of a gun is to intimidate those who do not have them." Jenoch Sep 2013 #109

Just a Tool Godot51 Sep 2013 #28

just some thoughts POBOYSAMMICH Sep 2013 #133

What a sick paranoid world you live in GCP Sep 2013 #155

If an armed society is a polite society Fumesucker Sep 2013 #30

Because our society bluedeathray Sep 2013 #65

The Japanese are way more polite than we are. Chan790 Sep 2013 #116

It's two things FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #32

Youre wrong, it absolutely IS a gun problem. bowens43 Sep 2013 #33

Americans who are not members of a militia have privately owned guns Jenoch Sep 2013 #112

please read the founding documents, POBOYSAMMICH Sep 2013 #132

Not this again. How many times must it be discussed and debunked before this SlimJimmy Sep 2013 #141

It's Groundhog's Day Again... KharmaTrain Sep 2013 #34

It is a gun problem, you are the minority view representing the NRA. morningfog Sep 2013 #38

Unrec FSogol Sep 2013 #41

The problem is that yours is an ignorant view. DanTex Sep 2013 #42

And your solution is unworkable. krispos42 Sep 2013 #89

Funny that, since I didn't propose a specific solution. DanTex Sep 2013 #91

Your side has plenty of solutions... krispos42 Sep 2013 #92

Since you seem to think we should get Grover Norquist's approval for any policy we advocate... DanTex Sep 2013 #95

Grover Norquist is a stain on the ass of American politics krispos42 Sep 2013 #104

I disagree that gun control is unique. DanTex Sep 2013 #106

I observe gun owners abusing their rights: poaching, destroying property, getting drunk and making Kolesar Sep 2013 #43

No, that characterization is accurate. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #70

You present a constant as a variable and a variable as a constant Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #47

So why do we have so much more of a "people problem" than the UK does? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #49

Our *non-gun* homicide rate is higher than many countries' *total* homicide rate. X_Digger Sep 2013 #73

Our non-gun homicide rate is about average. DanTex Sep 2013 #74

1.5 per 100,000 (2012) without guns. X_Digger Sep 2013 #78

In other words, about average. DanTex Sep 2013 #79

Among comparable cohorts? Hell no. X_Digger Sep 2013 #81

Well, if you only count the countries with lower homicide rates... DanTex Sep 2013 #82

*sigh* Canada 1.6, Belgium 1.7 X_Digger Sep 2013 #84

Again, "about average". DanTex Sep 2013 #88

You need to learn, timing is everything. And you fucked that up. nt Logical Sep 2013 #50

if it is a people problem, why let them have guns? rurallib Sep 2013 #51

The OP is right about this being a "people problem", HOWEVER... brooklynite Sep 2013 #52

Unfortunately, you are wrong... Sancho Sep 2013 #53

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Hoyt Sep 2013 #55

I'd kiss you for this post if I could geomon666 Sep 2013 #148

Skip - I am willing to negotiate on kinds/types of guns and registration issues TBF Sep 2013 #63

Agreed... bluedeathray Sep 2013 #66

Good post! Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #71

Guess posting the same old tired NRA talking points... 99Forever Sep 2013 #64

Guns are extraordinary tools. I mean that quite literally. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #67

Not all drunk drivers kill people either Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #68

It's all part of a make work program nolabels Sep 2013 #72

except that with cars, rope etc...guns are speciically designed to kill people gopiscrap Sep 2013 #77

Holy SHIT, all my guns are broken! AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #138

If it is a "people problem" will you at least redstatebluegirl Sep 2013 #80

My view has finally gotten a wee bit more consistent in regards to Guns. Xyzse Sep 2013 #83

Some cars are built to go 200+ miles per hour. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #85

Chemical weapons don't kill people... G_j Sep 2013 #87

and nuclear armament too La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #125

"push a political agenda while the bodies of the victims are still warm " Aerows Sep 2013 #94

They were more than willing to push the confiscation myth after these shootings and the elections Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #102

So American people are just more naturally prone to violence than everyone else? KamaAina Sep 2013 #101

Of course it is a gun problem, take guns out of the equation and you Rex Sep 2013 #103

Every one of these mass shooters was a "legal gun owner" before they went on a rampage. Erose999 Sep 2013 #108

Is your point no one should be a legal gun owner? Omnith Sep 2013 #110

The point is that the old canard "Only criminals use guns illegally" is a bunch of malarky. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #130

And every one of them was deranged when they went on the rampage. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #114

I don't think its the minority view at all, if it was there would be no guns. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #115

+1 Go Vols Sep 2013 #126

Well said Omnith Sep 2013 #111

You're not as much of a minority as you might think derby378 Sep 2013 #119

Wonderful. This thread is good for all those to celebrate their gun fetish quinnox Sep 2013 #121

And argue the blatant falsehood that the majority of Democrats are against any gun control measures. Moses2SandyKoufax Sep 2013 #139

It's not political, it's a public health and safety issue. Warpy Sep 2013 #127

Argue this question until the end of time. All I know is if guns were completely banned chelsea0011 Sep 2013 #129

Sorry, DU gunners. You all are thinking people. You seem determined to Squinch Sep 2013 #135

Thank you. So true- they just do not want to be inconvenienced. So selfish, and dishonest... bettyellen Sep 2013 #149

The reality is guns are made for one purpose: killing other human beings. On some level... Hekate Sep 2013 #140

Definitely a minority view etherealtruth Sep 2013 #142

Anyone have a ProSense Sep 2013 #143

You skipped your best argument. gulliver Sep 2013 #144

Holy fuck this OP is a steaming pile of gun-humping bullshit. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #146

Please! Won't you think of the guns???? neverforget Sep 2013 #150

Its a people with guns problem. quakerboy Sep 2013 #151

I'm sorry, but this is just so simplistic and dumb.. cali Sep 2013 #157

Exactly. And when our nephew JanMichael Sep 2013 #159

No matter the topic, you reliably post the minority view at DU CreekDog Sep 2013 #164

Problem is the bodies are never cold. Agschmid Sep 2013 #166