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75. Switzerland has 45.7 guns per 100 people

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:48 PM

Sep 2013

a little over half what the US has and their death rate is much lower.

So more guns does not have to equal more murders.

0.02% of people in the US with guns kills anyone with them, so the vast majority of them with guns are not causing problems either.

Maybe it is not guns or games but many other possible causes we should be looking at instead of using every death to push a bias against the many based on the few. But looking for causes and ways to prevent those very few isn't what most people seem to care about (although, oddly, when a gun is NOT used in a murder people suddenly wake up and want to talk about why, what drove them to it, etc).

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Alleged Navy Yard shooter 'obsessed' with violent video games, says friend [View all] The Straight Story Sep 2013 OP

And the conversation about this begins. Safetykitten Sep 2013 #1

So did Adam Lanza (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2013 #5

Sorry, that was not a point I was making...I will correct. Safetykitten Sep 2013 #6

This doesn't surprise me. This man should have been barred from guns in 2004. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2

I play a lot of games. So many different great games. And now there's an even greater variety as KittyWampus Sep 2013 #17

That's encouraging news. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #19

"Outlast" and "Amensia: A machine for pigs", totally horrifying games with no guns Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #35

+100 zappaman Sep 2013 #58

violence is violence. guns are just the most available tool. nt NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #84

True, although several mass murders I've heard were comitted with video games clubbing Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #88

The UK has the exact same violent video games FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #69

And this is how he got to be an "efficient" killer question everything Sep 2013 #3

He was in the military Democat Sep 2013 #37

He was in the Naval Reserve ... oldhippie Sep 2013 #41

Shooting guns in games is to shooting games in reality as cemaphonic Sep 2013 #85

Kinda how like if you are good at chess, you would make an excellent general! Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #86

So it was the unpaid wages he was mad about. bravenak Sep 2013 #4

Most gun owners have never shot anyone either. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #8

I don't think so. bravenak Sep 2013 #13

Nice. n/t Skip Intro Sep 2013 #15

Yeah...good luck getting that past the Supreme Court davidn3600 Sep 2013 #22

and the video games DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #30

Oh what-bloody-ever... Daemonaquila Sep 2013 #33

Total BS. Banning video games won't stop it. Ban guns. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #36

There's that "murder simulator" talking point. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #67

That includes Raving Rabbids snooper2 Sep 2013 #83

He, Adma Lanza, James Holmes (Aurora shooter), Columbine shooters The Straight Story Sep 2013 #9

They're trying to take our games!!!! bravenak Sep 2013 #11

I think we need to do a better job of recognizing the pattern of self-isolation... Barack_America Sep 2013 #18

Well The Straight Story Sep 2013 #20

not thev fact they had all untreated mentla health issues, right? DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #29

If it saves just one life ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #44

So the fact that they had untreated mental issues, severe ones at that, nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #56

Maybe you missed the point The Straight Story Sep 2013 #60

And I think that we need to regulate access to guns nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #61

Really? When less than 1% use them we have an access problem? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #62

And then you get annoyed when you are called a libertarian nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #70

So label a something a talking point and dismiss? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #73

It is a talking point nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #74

The UK FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #71

Do not forget Korea. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #72

Switzerland has 45.7 guns per 100 people The Straight Story Sep 2013 #75

You seem to forget that the Swiss are quite strict with their firearms FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #78

Only the famous ones kill.. peace13 Sep 2013 #81

"Never shot anybody" - yet .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #42

What are you trying to say exactly? bravenak Sep 2013 #46

I thought what I said was pretty clear .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #47

I'm not a killer. bravenak Sep 2013 #48

Maybe .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #49

Will do. You too. bravenak Sep 2013 #59

call of duty here. haven't shot anyone either. n/t. okieinpain Sep 2013 #79

So.... anyone else getting GTA5? LittleBlue Sep 2013 #7

I would, but the missus is agin it. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #10

Me!!! bravenak Sep 2013 #12

You are an awesome spouse. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #14

I'm from the Super Nintendo generation. bravenak Sep 2013 #21

I am so thrilled I have two teenage boys that rarely play the shoot them up. Basketball, football or seabeyond Sep 2013 #16

Violent Video Games don�t make real Weapons Heather MC Sep 2013 #23

Let's see... what's more likely: bobclark86 Sep 2013 #24

Video Games? Iggo Sep 2013 #25

I shudder every time I open Steam and see how many hours I've played Team Fortress 2 Recursion Sep 2013 #26

Piloting drones in Afghanistan and Iraq HolyMoley Sep 2013 #27

focus on the games DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #28

He didn't kill anyone with a video game jberryhill Sep 2013 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #32

My girlfriend is 'obsessed' with violent video games Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2013 #34

I'm pretty much the same way siouxsiecreamcheese Sep 2013 #87

And he also had anger management issues. Javaman Sep 2013 #38

Are these violent video games only played in the U.S.? sufrommich Sep 2013 #39

Just what we need. The crazies will use COLGATE4 Sep 2013 #40

Wake me up when somebody kills a dozen people with a video game cartridge. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #43

You just dated yourself nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #54

My bad. :P Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #66

Break the DVD in half, nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #68

what would Buddha do? Supersedeas Sep 2013 #45

That's another thing that's gonna get demonized. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #65

How come they never name what games they are playing? geomon666 Sep 2013 #50

Are all fishermen liars, or do only liars go fishing? DetlefK Sep 2013 #51

Yes and lets start noiw to distract the conversation from fucking guns gopiscrap Sep 2013 #52

And...was hearing voices in his head nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #53

By all means. Let's talk about video games. KamaAina Sep 2013 #55

Well the fact that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #57

Fuck. And so the latest moral panic and demands for censorship begins. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #63

Games and guns are the new Dungeons and Dragons The Straight Story Sep 2013 #64

A lot of the better gamers that play violent shooters are not in America Xyzse Sep 2013 #76

Oh noes! I'm 'obsessed' with violent video games too! justiceischeap Sep 2013 #77

Why does our own military use these games to entice recruits to join? peace13 Sep 2013 #80

more concerned about obsession with assualt rifles dembotoz Sep 2013 #82