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In reply to the discussion: The TPP is as bad or worse than NAFTA. The President is pushing it hard. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)44. Where
"What concerns me about this language is that it is targeted at health concerns generated by tobacco. It alarms me that any number of public health concerns may not be specifically addressed in the language of the agreement. It seems to me that any treaty that LIMITS a sovereign government's right to enact regulation to guard the public good is not a good thing."
...does the information imply that it "LIMITS a sovereign government's right to enact regulation"? From the link you provided:
Developed following extensive consultations with Congress and with a wide range of American stakeholders from health advocates to farmers, representing many views on whether and how to address tobacco-related health policy measures in a trade agreement this proposal will, for the first time in a trade agreement, address specifically the public health issues surrounding tobacco preserving the ability of the United States and other TPP countries to regulate tobacco and to apply appropriate public health measures, and bringing health and trade officials together if tobacco-related issues arise while remaining consistent with our trade policy objectives of negotiating a comprehensive agreement that does not create a precedent for excluding agricultural products. We will continue to keep our Congressional partners and stakeholders informed and involved as we negotiate this challenging and important issue with TPP partners, many of whom will be taking into account the same range of concerns.
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The TPP is as bad or worse than NAFTA. The President is pushing it hard. [View all]
cali
Sep 2013
OP
Thanks for the background info, Octafish...and thanks to Greg Palast, of course.
Raksha
Sep 2013
#120
Or "professional Liberals". I've heard that laughable insult on DU as well. nt
99th_Monkey
Sep 2013
#123
I haven't seen an actual document related to the TPP. Is all this just based on rumors?
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#21
Why don't you just ask President Obama for a copy? I am sure he would be transparent in his
Vincardog
Sep 2013
#23
He has released them to over 600 CORPORATIONS. I wonder why the corporations can have access
Vincardog
Sep 2013
#25
What they are negotiating is being kept secret from you and me. If I was to post a link to the
Vincardog
Sep 2013
#29
You are asking for verifiable proof of a secret negotiation. The constitution gives the powers to
Vincardog
Sep 2013
#32
Right. You don't know anything about the "600 corporations." You were just making that up.
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#37
I'm not going to wander over that whole site looking for a clear answer to my question.
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#58
It is on the first page. Again you seem willfully dim, or maybe your mind in incapable of change.
Vincardog
Sep 2013
#66
So let us guess your point. Because we the masses havent seen it must mean it will be
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#62
Respectfully, I don't think that they ever really thought that "free trade is a net gain," or at
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#40
You cannot get a full perspective on something based on leaked information
Cali_Democrat
Sep 2013
#12
The only people speculating are those that are skeptical of our government.Those that blindly follo
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#63
The corporations privy to closed TPP negotiations are not objecting, are they, "my dear"?
Divernan
Sep 2013
#36
I will delete my expletives and proceed. What does the TPP have to do with trade? A lot.
pampango
Sep 2013
#102
Put that way I guess I'll have to believe ( unfortunately ) he'll sign it
Populist_Prole
Sep 2013
#59
Obama is playing ninth-level ninja-mind chess and you are still playing checkers...
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#50
Mexican ag was destroyed by NAFTA; American ag did great. Which was the point
Recursion
Sep 2013
#94
Responses to this are very interesting and heated. Sherrod Brown & other liberals have warned us
emsimon33
Sep 2013
#81
Brown said that TPP "represents an opportunity for American workers and businesses" but "American
pampango
Sep 2013
#103
The decline in manufacturing jobs started in the 1950's while output has increased steadily.
pampango
Sep 2013
#137