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POBOYSAMMICH

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133. just some thoughts

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:34 PM

Sep 2013

So, take this "just a tool" and build me a house...

without the means to defend you property, you can not build your house - the gun is a defensive tool also.

So, take this "just a tool" and raise me a crop...

same as above, while some may not understand, defense of what is yours is imperative.

So, take this "just a tool" and cook me a meal...

as I take game, harvest raised livestock - yes, this tool must be employed - the hamburger at wall-mart used to be a living animal. It doesn't show up, and is not raised as pre-packaged food.

A gun is not a tool. A gun is a weapon. Tools can be weapons but that's not their first function.

agree to a point, a gun utilized as intended is indeed a tool. the knife and the sickle were not designed to take a life either.

A gun, any gun, is not a tool, a toy or a protector. It is a weapon and it's meant to kill

I agree with this, those who would think otherwise are, in my opinion, idiots.

The "people problem" all too often starts with a man with a gun.

we must come to some sort of agreement over the "people problem", we can try to reduce the accessibility of guns to those that we deem 'undeserving', but, who can make that designation.

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A (DU) minority view on guns. [View all] Skip Intro Sep 2013 OP

it never ends Skittles Sep 2013 #1

There are fundamentally differeing views on this. n/t Skip Intro Sep 2013 #2

NO SHIT Skittles Sep 2013 #3

well don't bite my head off... Skip Intro Sep 2013 #5

regular mass shooting bother me Skittles Sep 2013 #6

They bother everyone. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #8

well you have lots of people who agree with you Skittles Sep 2013 #9

You're better than name-calling, Skittles. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #13

You are the company you keep, and defend and promote. morningfog Sep 2013 #40

That applies to everyone equally, right? N/T beevul Sep 2013 #107

Right, thats why European nations have such high gun related deaths too... Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #17

"The reality is the world is a dangerous place." delrem Sep 2013 #29

America is a more dangerous place than most of the world. EOTE Sep 2013 #60

Do they bother you? CreekDog Sep 2013 #165

We've tried the way of the gun nut shitheads...it is a manifest failure alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #59

Devils Advocate... GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #160

Good post...but this isn't your first rodeo. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #4

Well thanks. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #7

That's pretty much it. You nailed it. N/T Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #22

And those three days will also be full of Scootaloo Sep 2013 #35

THIS kind of analysis... bluedeathray Sep 2013 #61

Yes, murder is a problem that can be (largely) fixed. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #69

just to hit a couple of points, POBOYSAMMICH Sep 2013 #117

I think those are largely false equivalencies. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #122

thank you POBOYSAMMICH Sep 2013 #123

It is better than the other side's year round fetish. morningfog Sep 2013 #39

"Libertarian" Greenwald fan taunting a "libertarian" gun owner Kolesar Sep 2013 #44

I am no libertarian, with or without quotes. morningfog Sep 2013 #48

Yeah, it's no fun when someone lumps you in with a group you have nothing to do with, Bazinga Sep 2013 #54

I reserve the gunnut label for those who align themselves with the NRA. Those who block and morningfog Sep 2013 #56

Problem is, "sensible gun reform" has become a code phrase for an extreme wish list derby378 Sep 2013 #118

1 hundred times yes. N/T beevul Sep 2013 #124

As long as you get to define 'sensible', right? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #137

Do you think something needs to be done about guns in this country? EOTE Sep 2013 #62

+1. prefunk Sep 2013 #76

Thanks for the amateur psychoanalysis. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #93

Anyone with such a fetish can get aroused by the power of a gun. morningfog Sep 2013 #100

+100 nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #90

What is concerning to me is that these are people on the edge whether they use a gun or some other dkf Sep 2013 #10

Convicts in gun crimes should go to jail for decades Kolesar Sep 2013 #45

It certainly is a people problem BainsBane Sep 2013 #11

Many lives have been saved because someone had a gun Skip Intro Sep 2013 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #19

Wow!! FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #31

It's the "Pew, pulled it out of his *** " survey ... eom Kolesar Sep 2013 #46

There ARE statistics FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #58

Well, there's a couple of fundamental issues there. krispos42 Sep 2013 #86

200? FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #152

I got it from a Bureau of Justice Statistics report krispos42 Sep 2013 #158

Incorrect. beevul Sep 2013 #128

Nope FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #153

Nope. beevul Sep 2013 #156

Provide data that indicates more people have been saved through defensive use of weapons BainsBane Sep 2013 #36

Where would this country be if not for guns ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #134

is it too much ask that gun owners only kill each other and not innocent bystanders? really nt msongs Sep 2013 #12

Do you suppose that if such an arrangment were reached, the rest of you AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #24

How about a moon colony? BainsBane Sep 2013 #37

Look, I am just shy of being a total pacifist Threedifferentones Sep 2013 #57

Good point about their attacking up BainsBane Sep 2013 #98

That high up in the gravity well, we won't NEED nukes. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #75

Nope, just trying to be amenable BainsBane Sep 2013 #99

Yes. I do. Squinch Sep 2013 #136

Actually, many of the gun deaths that occur in the U.S. Jenoch Sep 2013 #105

Actually 22 America's Were Killed Today By Guns otohara Sep 2013 #14

I have liability insurance on AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #25

Actually zero people were killed by guns. NM_Birder Sep 2013 #131

Spare Me The NRA Talking Points otohara Sep 2013 #145

be sure to watch the world series, bats will hit home runs. NM_Birder Sep 2013 #147

High Gun Ownership Makes Countries Less Safe otohara Sep 2013 #161

My comparison between baseball bats and firearms............. NM_Birder Sep 2013 #162

A million times 'Yes" GCP Sep 2013 #154

I am not embarrassed of my country, I am not a ... NM_Birder Sep 2013 #163

I recall seeing that every day over 30 die from gun violence LittleBlue Sep 2013 #16

I disagree - you do not have a right to forms of self-defense that endanger others. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #20

More right than you know. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #26

A gun is a pretty damn destructive device. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #96

Ah, but you missed your own criteria. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #97

For the sake of argument, lets say that you are 100% correct. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #113

First of all, I don't think it's *politically* viable. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #120

yeah youre right Eko Sep 2013 #21

Not this s#1+ again intaglio Sep 2013 #23

The only appropriate use for some of these guns is to kill as many people as possible and as quickly Skidmore Sep 2013 #27

You say "The whole purpose of a gun is to intimidate those who do not have them." Jenoch Sep 2013 #109

Just a Tool Godot51 Sep 2013 #28

just some thoughts POBOYSAMMICH Sep 2013 #133

What a sick paranoid world you live in GCP Sep 2013 #155

If an armed society is a polite society Fumesucker Sep 2013 #30

Because our society bluedeathray Sep 2013 #65

The Japanese are way more polite than we are. Chan790 Sep 2013 #116

It's two things FunkyLeprechaun Sep 2013 #32

Youre wrong, it absolutely IS a gun problem. bowens43 Sep 2013 #33

Americans who are not members of a militia have privately owned guns Jenoch Sep 2013 #112

please read the founding documents, POBOYSAMMICH Sep 2013 #132

Not this again. How many times must it be discussed and debunked before this SlimJimmy Sep 2013 #141

It's Groundhog's Day Again... KharmaTrain Sep 2013 #34

It is a gun problem, you are the minority view representing the NRA. morningfog Sep 2013 #38

Unrec FSogol Sep 2013 #41

The problem is that yours is an ignorant view. DanTex Sep 2013 #42

And your solution is unworkable. krispos42 Sep 2013 #89

Funny that, since I didn't propose a specific solution. DanTex Sep 2013 #91

Your side has plenty of solutions... krispos42 Sep 2013 #92

Since you seem to think we should get Grover Norquist's approval for any policy we advocate... DanTex Sep 2013 #95

Grover Norquist is a stain on the ass of American politics krispos42 Sep 2013 #104

I disagree that gun control is unique. DanTex Sep 2013 #106

I observe gun owners abusing their rights: poaching, destroying property, getting drunk and making Kolesar Sep 2013 #43

No, that characterization is accurate. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #70

You present a constant as a variable and a variable as a constant Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #47

So why do we have so much more of a "people problem" than the UK does? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #49

Our *non-gun* homicide rate is higher than many countries' *total* homicide rate. X_Digger Sep 2013 #73

Our non-gun homicide rate is about average. DanTex Sep 2013 #74

1.5 per 100,000 (2012) without guns. X_Digger Sep 2013 #78

In other words, about average. DanTex Sep 2013 #79

Among comparable cohorts? Hell no. X_Digger Sep 2013 #81

Well, if you only count the countries with lower homicide rates... DanTex Sep 2013 #82

*sigh* Canada 1.6, Belgium 1.7 X_Digger Sep 2013 #84

Again, "about average". DanTex Sep 2013 #88

You need to learn, timing is everything. And you fucked that up. nt Logical Sep 2013 #50

if it is a people problem, why let them have guns? rurallib Sep 2013 #51

The OP is right about this being a "people problem", HOWEVER... brooklynite Sep 2013 #52

Unfortunately, you are wrong... Sancho Sep 2013 #53

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Hoyt Sep 2013 #55

I'd kiss you for this post if I could geomon666 Sep 2013 #148

Skip - I am willing to negotiate on kinds/types of guns and registration issues TBF Sep 2013 #63

Agreed... bluedeathray Sep 2013 #66

Good post! Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #71

Guess posting the same old tired NRA talking points... 99Forever Sep 2013 #64

Guns are extraordinary tools. I mean that quite literally. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #67

Not all drunk drivers kill people either Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #68

It's all part of a make work program nolabels Sep 2013 #72

except that with cars, rope etc...guns are speciically designed to kill people gopiscrap Sep 2013 #77

Holy SHIT, all my guns are broken! AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #138

If it is a "people problem" will you at least redstatebluegirl Sep 2013 #80

My view has finally gotten a wee bit more consistent in regards to Guns. Xyzse Sep 2013 #83

Some cars are built to go 200+ miles per hour. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #85

Chemical weapons don't kill people... G_j Sep 2013 #87

and nuclear armament too La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #125

"push a political agenda while the bodies of the victims are still warm " Aerows Sep 2013 #94

They were more than willing to push the confiscation myth after these shootings and the elections Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #102

So American people are just more naturally prone to violence than everyone else? KamaAina Sep 2013 #101

Of course it is a gun problem, take guns out of the equation and you Rex Sep 2013 #103

Every one of these mass shooters was a "legal gun owner" before they went on a rampage. Erose999 Sep 2013 #108

Is your point no one should be a legal gun owner? Omnith Sep 2013 #110

The point is that the old canard "Only criminals use guns illegally" is a bunch of malarky. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #130

And every one of them was deranged when they went on the rampage. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #114

I don't think its the minority view at all, if it was there would be no guns. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #115

+1 Go Vols Sep 2013 #126

Well said Omnith Sep 2013 #111

You're not as much of a minority as you might think derby378 Sep 2013 #119

Wonderful. This thread is good for all those to celebrate their gun fetish quinnox Sep 2013 #121

And argue the blatant falsehood that the majority of Democrats are against any gun control measures. Moses2SandyKoufax Sep 2013 #139

It's not political, it's a public health and safety issue. Warpy Sep 2013 #127

Argue this question until the end of time. All I know is if guns were completely banned chelsea0011 Sep 2013 #129

Sorry, DU gunners. You all are thinking people. You seem determined to Squinch Sep 2013 #135

Thank you. So true- they just do not want to be inconvenienced. So selfish, and dishonest... bettyellen Sep 2013 #149

The reality is guns are made for one purpose: killing other human beings. On some level... Hekate Sep 2013 #140

Definitely a minority view etherealtruth Sep 2013 #142

Anyone have a ProSense Sep 2013 #143

You skipped your best argument. gulliver Sep 2013 #144

Holy fuck this OP is a steaming pile of gun-humping bullshit. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #146

Please! Won't you think of the guns???? neverforget Sep 2013 #150

Its a people with guns problem. quakerboy Sep 2013 #151

I'm sorry, but this is just so simplistic and dumb.. cali Sep 2013 #157

Exactly. And when our nephew JanMichael Sep 2013 #159

No matter the topic, you reliably post the minority view at DU CreekDog Sep 2013 #164

Problem is the bodies are never cold. Agschmid Sep 2013 #166