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Vincardog

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66. It is on the first page. Again you seem willfully dim, or maybe your mind in incapable of change.

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The TPP is as bad or worse than NAFTA. The President is pushing it hard. [View all] cali Sep 2013 OP

There is no TPP. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #1

yeppers. that's it. cali Sep 2013 #2

Who's the phony? Octafish Sep 2013 #52

How many 'most importants' are there Greg? GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #57

Doesn't change the facts, though. Octafish Sep 2013 #60

Truth, to you, must be rather inconvenient. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #126

Survivor tactic. When you can't argue the facts, attack the messenger. Jakes Progress Sep 2013 #135

All one has to hear are those names, Octafish, and you know... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #78

Thanks for the background info, Octafish...and thanks to Greg Palast, of course. Raksha Sep 2013 #120

Good article by Greg Palast - just shared it on Facebook. Raksha Sep 2013 #122

Or "professional Liberals". I've heard that laughable insult on DU as well. nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #123

Peace Purists is a funny one too. NealK Sep 2013 #125

lol - yes I saw that too . ~nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #129

5 Recs - I guess some agree TPP is bad FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #3

Most folks here think the TPP is a bad deal cali Sep 2013 #4

Well, i've heard its a good deal. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #107

It's all about increasing wealth for the 1%. jsr Sep 2013 #108

The last two letters in the acronym seem apt. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #67

It will be as bad or worse than NAFTA - TBF Sep 2013 #109

I've talked before about the internationalization of capital ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #127

Yup - it's the way I see this all moving. TBF Sep 2013 #131

They'll preserve freedom of speech - theirs only. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #136

The UN's International Labor Organization 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #134

Indeed ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #138

Long Live the Wobblies! You gotta love 'em. nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #140

And and and.. SUMMERS WAS NEVER THE NOMINEE!11!eleventy! ;-) X_Digger Sep 2013 #5

I haven't seen an actual document related to the TPP. Is all this just based on rumors? pnwmom Sep 2013 #21

Why don't you just ask President Obama for a copy? I am sure he would be transparent in his Vincardog Sep 2013 #23

When has a President ever released working documents while international pnwmom Sep 2013 #24

He has released them to over 600 CORPORATIONS. I wonder why the corporations can have access Vincardog Sep 2013 #25

I'm interested. Do you have a link about that? pnwmom Sep 2013 #27

What they are negotiating is being kept secret from you and me. If I was to post a link to the Vincardog Sep 2013 #29

I mean do you have a link to something showing that 600 corporations have seen pnwmom Sep 2013 #30

You are asking for verifiable proof of a secret negotiation. The constitution gives the powers to Vincardog Sep 2013 #32

Right. You don't know anything about the "600 corporations." You were just making that up. pnwmom Sep 2013 #37

http://www.flushthetpp.org do your own research. What personal attack? Vincardog Sep 2013 #38

I'm not going to wander over that whole site looking for a clear answer to my question. pnwmom Sep 2013 #58

You ask for a link, but refuse to go there? HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #61

A BOGer willfully ignorant? What would give you that idea? L0oniX Sep 2013 #117

It is on the first page. Again you seem willfully dim, or maybe your mind in incapable of change. Vincardog Sep 2013 #66

Willfully indolent. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #112

You got a link ffs! cui bono Sep 2013 #77

Lol, awesome sub thread. morningfog Sep 2013 #96

Wander? You were given a link. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #111

Vincar called you Aerows Sep 2013 #56

600 corporate advisors PADemD Sep 2013 #98

Parts of it have leaked. Here is one portion. pa28 Sep 2013 #53

Thank you! n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #64

Thank you. emsimon33 Sep 2013 #80

So let us guess your point. Because we the masses havent seen it must mean it will be rhett o rick Sep 2013 #62

Nope, you're not much of a mind reader. I just want to know what's in it pnwmom Sep 2013 #65

bulloney. If you were actually interested, you'd do a little research cali Sep 2013 #113

do your own research. type in leaks and TPP cali Sep 2013 #83

Come on Cali, that's too hard. You're asking too way too much. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #114

I know, but don't you know I'm just mean? cali Sep 2013 #141

Breaking: Google is your friend. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #118

That's how it always seems to start. pa28 Sep 2013 #46

So is President Obama (1) stupid; (2) deluded; or (3) malicious? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #6

Closer to 2 Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #7

This. It troubles me because he seems like such a Keynesian... Ed Suspicious Sep 2013 #13

Agreed Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #19

What Obama says.... sendero Sep 2013 #90

That's what he does; he says one thing to get votes and does another. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #92

"says one thing to get votes and does another" = normal politician. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #119

Respectfully, I don't think that they ever really thought that "free trade is a net gain," or at AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #40

I don't know. I wish I did. cali Sep 2013 #8

You cannot get a full perspective on something based on leaked information Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #12

Does it really not bother you that LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #15

What leaked information? I haven't seen anything but speculation so far. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #22

I agree with Elizabeth Warren: ProSense Sep 2013 #39

It's not entirely speculation. LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #43

Where ProSense Sep 2013 #44

It is specifically targeted at the tobacco industry. LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #45

But where does it imply what you claim? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #47

In this language LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #48

"Preserving" doesn't mean "limit." n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #49

Yes. I know that. LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #51

Actually, ProSense Sep 2013 #54

The only people speculating are those that are skeptical of our government.Those that blindly follo rhett o rick Sep 2013 #63

Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #70

it's not speculation. There has been infor leaked cali Sep 2013 #91

You mean - Elizabeth Warren Plucketeer Sep 2013 #121

I doubt that. Jakes Progress Sep 2013 #139

Sure you can. ProSense Sep 2013 #33

The corporations privy to closed TPP negotiations are not objecting, are they, "my dear"? Divernan Sep 2013 #36

the writer of that post knows zip about the TPP. It's just reflex defense of his cali Sep 2013 #87

honey, you know zip about this. I know a lot. cali Sep 2013 #82

Let's play a game of multiple choice. It's called accountability. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #115

Or another option, that being "under great duress". Scuba Sep 2013 #9

(4) Working for somebody else n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #10

As often as not that seems to be the case 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #35

4) a 1%er obxhead Sep 2013 #17

Yes DJ13 Sep 2013 #26

Likely components of the administration's economic policy towards China pampango Sep 2013 #72

What the GODDAM FUCK does trade have to do with giving vicious amoral-- eridani Sep 2013 #89

I will delete my expletives and proceed. What does the TPP have to do with trade? A lot. pampango Sep 2013 #102

Trade agreements should be about trade, period. No extra baggage whatsoever eridani Sep 2013 #142

He likes farmers selling soybeans and consumer buying cheap shirts Recursion Sep 2013 #84

He works for the 1% - he's just doing his job. nt TBF Sep 2013 #110

(4) Loves his family very much & doesn't want to get "JFK-ed" nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #124

That too - but you'd think he would've figured out TBF Sep 2013 #132

Watch out -- the Prez is thinking about his 'legacy' again! markpkessinger Sep 2013 #11

Because their legacy is measured in their post-political personal wealth. Divernan Sep 2013 #41

You and your anti-Obama memes. Autumn Sep 2013 #14

A what if... Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #16

If they pass it, will he sign it? tblue Sep 2013 #42

Put that way I guess I'll have to believe ( unfortunately ) he'll sign it Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #59

Fight back good senators! ananda Sep 2013 #18

Its ALL part of the brilliant Master Plan. bvar22 Sep 2013 #20

We don't want it! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #28

All your going to hear are crickets. Phlem Sep 2013 #31

TPP mtasselin Sep 2013 #34

Obama is playing ninth-level ninja-mind chess and you are still playing checkers... truebrit71 Sep 2013 #50

He caught the Vapors. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #69

No, he just likes for farmers to be able to sell soybeans and corn Recursion Sep 2013 #85

This is what the owners want. PeteSelman Sep 2013 #55

The President fails the working man again. mick063 Sep 2013 #68

That's all I've been trying to say. Phlem Sep 2013 #71

All I know is this: mick063 Sep 2013 #74

True Dat Brother Phlem Sep 2013 #75

Who's "the working man?" Some people get screwed by TPP, others get helped Recursion Sep 2013 #86

More bullshit: Farmers? How were farmers helped by NAFTA? Factory "Farmers" cali Sep 2013 #93

Mexican ag was destroyed by NAFTA; American ag did great. Which was the point Recursion Sep 2013 #94

A) Your claim without a single piece of evidence to back it up, is hardly enough cali Sep 2013 #95

Well, do your own research. Ag is the part of policy I know. Recursion Sep 2013 #104

And the third way comes to the rescue. mick063 Sep 2013 #99

Jesus, it's like a parody sometimes. *I DON'T SUPPORT TPP* Recursion Sep 2013 #105

No kidding. Corporate farms. Let's talk about those. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #116

The defenses won't start until JoeyT Sep 2013 #73

Stop "thoughtcriming" Obama! cui bono Sep 2013 #76

Keepin it kicked nt Vanje Sep 2013 #79

Responses to this are very interesting and heated. Sherrod Brown & other liberals have warned us emsimon33 Sep 2013 #81

you don't have to take his word for it- cali Sep 2013 #88

Brown said that TPP "represents an opportunity for American workers and businesses" but "American pampango Sep 2013 #103

no real surprise that obama would consider such a proposal... georgew Sep 2013 #97

K&R AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #100

K & R djean111 Sep 2013 #101

Just another Obama failure BlueJac Sep 2013 #106

Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and it went into effect January 1. 1994... kentuck Sep 2013 #128

We've lost 5 million manufacturing jobs in the past 19 years - TBF Sep 2013 #133

The decline in manufacturing jobs started in the 1950's while output has increased steadily. pampango Sep 2013 #137

K&R NealK Sep 2013 #130