We are no better than them

[LostOne4Ever]

21. We are INFINITELY better than them.

Last edited Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:43 PM - Edit history (1)

They are a bunch of racist, misogynist, homophobic, selfish, theocratic assholes who only care about themselves and forcing their religious beliefs down all our throats.

We are INFINITELY better than them.

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]We have this sense of idealism that completely falls apart when applied to the real world.

Do tell.

How is making sure everyone has a right to vote or marry the person they love fall apart in reality? How did making sure women and minorities have rights fall apart in the real world? How about medicare and social security?

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]We criticize him but glorify Hilary Clinton and her husband when they are in some ways responsible for a lot of the mess we are in now.


Are we reading the same DU? They are not too popular here to my knowledge.

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We criticize him for picking Larry Summers to head the fed while completely ignoring the fact that he knows far more about Summers than any body on this board or any body in congress and that he honestly thought he was the best person for the job.

To start with I give Obama HUGE amount of credit for what he has done. He made me a faithful supporter of his by getting PPACA passed. I never thought I would see us get this far.

That said, supporting him does not mean accepting everything he says blindly. It does not mean surrendering our ability to think for ourselves. I will give the fact he endorses someone some consideration but I won't go by that solely. Obama is not infallible and I am not going to sign my name to something just because he says "trust me."

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]How in the hell can you celebrate a person who cares so little about his "principles" that he left this country and went to countries like Russia and China for asylum.

I don't give a shit about Snowden himself. I do care about how the NSA is spying on us and I am glad someone exposed it. Worrying about snowden is like saying you can't see the forest because of all the trees.

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]In short, Obama is a good man that does not have the ability to forcefully advocate for progressive values. That does not mean that he doesn't agree with them, just look at the majority of his policies, but it's just not in his nature to be a fighter.

Agree with you on everything but the part about him not being a fighter. If he was not a fighter he would not have gotten the PPACA passed. What he is, though, is a politician who knows he can't win every battle and picks and chooses his fights.

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, or Alan Grayson will NEVER be president of the united states and Hilary Clinton is the type of democrat that people on here despise so the reality is is that we need to push Obama but support him at the same time. He pisses me off a lot but I honestly think that he is a better president than any of the other politician out there right now would be.

Oh, can I borrow your crystal ball that told you about Warren et al so I can see the next set of winning lotto numbers?

Seriously though, America's demographics are changing and changing fast. My generation is far far more liberal than many generations have been in a long long time. It's hard for anyone to know if those people will be president or not. As I said before I support Obama, just not blindly. When he does something I disagree with I am going to let everyone know.

If Hillary or Warren, or anyone else you listed becomes the candidate Im going to support, while criticizing them when they do wrong, just as well.