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ljm2002

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19. So in other words...

Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:16 PM

Sep 2013

...since Bernie is not the President or his speechwriter, he may not voice his recommendations to the person who IS President? Only the President or his speechwriter can state an opinion on what the President should do or say? Wait, that doesn't make much sense...

In fact, it is utter nonsense.

As to your question (well it looks like a question although you seem to be unclear on your English punctuation) -- Yes, each and every Senator may remark on what they think the President should do or say, as may each and every member of the House of Representatives, and each and every citizen of the USA -- in fact, each and every person in the entire world is free to remark upon how they think the President should speak or act. The President, in turn, is free to accept, reject or ignore any and all such statements.

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Bernie calls out Barack [View all] Scuba Sep 2013 OP

If not now? When? Big business has given a cold shoulder to the Ninga Sep 2013 #1

if he hadn't done it for four and a half years, why would he now? yurbud Sep 2013 #151

K&R For Bernie. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #2

Become the POTUS speech writer treestar Sep 2013 #3

So in other words... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #19

All posts responding to my post treestar Sep 2013 #113

Oh that's rich... ljm2002 Sep 2013 #123

It's a policy position. If the President is on the side of the billionaires, he's not on our side. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #163

At this point, how do we know that he is not a billionaire or future billionaire? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #171

I can hear the others luring him with tales of "dynastic wealth" and the like.... gag. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #176

Senator Obama was groomed and heavily financed dotymed Sep 2013 #250

Brilliant summation. N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2013 #251

+100000000000 woo me with science Sep 2013 #256

treestar... try to be more clear... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #232

Senator Sanders is a member of a coequal branch of the government. He has every right to speak out totodeinhere Sep 2013 #38

Absolutely he does Aerows Sep 2013 #87

Yes, each Senator DOES get a say in what the President says, IF what he says sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #83

What an odd post. NealK Sep 2013 #93

What's so "odd" about it... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #233

Or better yet, "sit down and shut the F up." Is that what you mean? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #95

I personally prefer "shut up, he explained". Scuba Sep 2013 #231

Not only each Senator, but anyone who wants a say gets one. merrily Sep 2013 #105

Treestar has left the thread Vanje Sep 2013 #155

that would be better than reading the ones written by Wall Street yurbud Sep 2013 #153

Sanders wasn't elected? Hissyspit Sep 2013 #192

I think Barack has already done this...in many ways. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #4

Bernie apparently doesn't. Scuba Sep 2013 #5

Neither do I. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #97

Neither do I. nt tblue Sep 2013 #114

Neither do I n/t MissDeeds Sep 2013 #116

Neither do I. Vanje Sep 2013 #117

Me either. n/t MuseRider Sep 2013 #120

Neiher do I. 840high Sep 2013 #138

Neither do I Nanjing to Seoul Sep 2013 #172

Neither do I. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #177

Nor I dflprincess Sep 2013 #181

Neither do I. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #188

Nor I (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #237

Neither do I. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #239

Yes he has, in more ways than anyone else in DC, including Bernie Sanders. tridim Sep 2013 #6

Please continue hootinholler Sep 2013 #10

Shhhhh! Those are national security secrets ...for our own good. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #23

... SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #40

I'm more interested in hearing how an elected Senator Aerows Sep 2013 #89

he doesn't. the bog feels free to post their adoration everywhere. I am roguevalley Sep 2013 #193

It gets sickening after a while Aerows Sep 2013 #202

not to zealots, darling. I crashed a 26 foot truck and trailer into the back end roguevalley Sep 2013 #204

Holy shit Aerows Sep 2013 #207

Yeah. I was driving a 26 foot about ten or twenty ton truck with a trailer roguevalley Sep 2013 #221

I got it, he appointed Penny Pritzker, the female Mit Romney. That's how he shows his rhett o rick Sep 2013 #98

What do you call the Insurance Company barons? They are working juajen Sep 2013 #228

You think Obama's a Democrat? Not even Obama believes that ... Scuba Sep 2013 #243

bwahahahahaha. ODDS kills brain cells and some of the afflicted cali Sep 2013 #18

Crying "ODS" is a cop-out. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #34

which is why I've coined ODDS- Obama Defenders Derangement Syndrome cali Sep 2013 #49

Ahh, missed that. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #72

I've been wondering what it meant after reading one of your replies to Probiotic. NealK Sep 2013 #92

Good. And if you want to make it official, just add the TM AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #54

So what? So Vermont has 600,000 LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #62

So you're saying he plays to "a certain crowd"? LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #65

lol. you clearly know nothing about Vermont cali Sep 2013 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #73

Agree! However we need people such as Bernie to constantly remind our party of our priorities, goals busterbrown Sep 2013 #139

Bernie IS a Socialist ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #190

Ding, ding, ding. Sub-thread win! Scuba Sep 2013 #127

"Bernie is beholden to his constituents" dflprincess Sep 2013 #183

I think Cali_Dem is trying to says Bernie is a racist Doctor_J Sep 2013 #141

So what? what does that have to do with anything? cali Sep 2013 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #75

sheltered? that's just silly. cali Sep 2013 #80

I believe the point is that Isoldeblue Sep 2013 #96

Cali Democrat has been quite clear in this thread LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #119

"Let's be real here" NealK Sep 2013 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #106

Whatever. NealK Sep 2013 #108

back atcha. n/t Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #112

Putting men on the moon was't practical either. pangaia Sep 2013 #147

Yes it was. n/t Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #148

Not until it was possible. pangaia Sep 2013 #150

"I'm not trying to discredit Bernie" That is exactly what you are trying to do. morningfog Sep 2013 #196

it isn't 'practical' because third ways will settle for dregs and hero worship. roguevalley Sep 2013 #199

Ergo Barack should govern like a conservative Republican? Huh? Scuba Sep 2013 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #132

Right, after all, who cares about Medicare and Social Security and wages when there are .... Scuba Sep 2013 #133

Nobody said not to care about Medicare, Social Security and wages Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #134

Proposed an increase to the minimum that's still well under a living wage... Scuba Sep 2013 #135

Again...you and your ilk prefer an all or nothing approach. Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #136

That's hardly "all or nothing". That's still sacrificing MOST to the 1%. Scuba Sep 2013 #137

They hardly mention the Filibuster nor the takeover of the House by a bunch of crazed gun loving busterbrown Sep 2013 #149

we would like him to have dem ideas and push them. All or nothing. roguevalley Sep 2013 #200

There are no true representatives of American democracy. morningfog Sep 2013 #197

Like they govern in Alabama Vanje Sep 2013 #159

wow. vermont goes under the bus because the AMERICANS there fail the bog test. roguevalley Sep 2013 #195

+1! Vanje Sep 2013 #205

What's the bog test? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #209

insufficiently respectful, etc. I remember posting a reply to a post on the roguevalley Sep 2013 #220

The bog is the Obama group forum? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #222

I think that is what the letters mean ... Barack Obama Group. I was posting in a rush to a roguevalley Sep 2013 #227

They are now up to 123 banned members. n/t QC Sep 2013 #230

wow. they might want to disable their posts to the greatest page. I don't look at what roguevalley Sep 2013 #257

What state do you feel is representative of America? Aerows Sep 2013 #90

I think "elite" may be the word you were looking for. Vanje Sep 2013 #158

A little joke about Yankees. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #268

In Idaho Vanje Sep 2013 #269

Never heard of them before. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #271

so the mid west has more say than anyone else? Alaska has 700K roguevalley Sep 2013 #194

Yeah verily yeah, Yeah verily yeah. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #22

You tell me why Sanders is ignoring what Obama is saying. tridim Sep 2013 #44

Is Sanders ignoring what the President hasn't done? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #77

That really is all they have left. bvar22 Sep 2013 #48

I'm kind of stunned, to be honest Aerows Sep 2013 #91

To some, the President can do no wrong. Scuba Sep 2013 #129

He has, a long time ago and most of us are on the wrong side of that line. RC Sep 2013 #28

Yeah, no kidding. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #41

Its ALL they have. bvar22 Sep 2013 #52

Populist Obama!!! raindaddy Sep 2013 #29

Dreams, dreams, dreams. lark Sep 2013 #36

You forgot that he single-handedly defeated the Soviet Union. NealK Sep 2013 #100

Great... Now your conflating Ronald To Barack.. busterbrown Sep 2013 #140

stood up, fought for. Insists upon. Okay. Yawn. roguevalley Sep 2013 #201

ODS swings like a pendulum do Skittles Sep 2013 #107

The text of your message has disappeared Vanje Sep 2013 #157

Please elaborate... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #234

How has Barack done this? Please be specific. nt TBF Sep 2013 #13

then list those "many ways". cali Sep 2013 #17

Did you miss his speech on the subject earlier this week? tridim Sep 2013 #47

bwhahahahaha. no, I didn't miss it cali Sep 2013 #51

You're completely delusional Cali. tridim Sep 2013 #55

lol cali Sep 2013 #79

I can't help you if you don't listen to what the President says. tridim Sep 2013 #244

That's your defense of your position? If so, you should re-examine everything you believe. Scuba Sep 2013 #130

Don't feel bad, I'm delusional too. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #78

If you don't listen to what the President says, then yes you are delusional or you just don't care. tridim Sep 2013 #245

Well, if the only criterion is "listening to what he says".... beerandjesus Sep 2013 #255

Oh, a speech LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #61

you're delusional if you don't know that Obama is the greatest man ever! cali Sep 2013 #82

He's our savior! NealK Sep 2013 #104

It must be because I'm white LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #122

Sounds like all three..I mean four busterbrown Sep 2013 #143

Yes. No solutions. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #165

Tell us about it... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #235

OFFS ...LOL L0oniX Sep 2013 #21

What's so funny? SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #42

Really? How so? /nt Marr Sep 2013 #84

I don't think he has Aerows Sep 2013 #88

Not in any meaningful way in words or action........nt Enthusiast Sep 2013 #103

Neither do I. Tiredofthesame Sep 2013 #160

Nope, not at all. 99Forever Sep 2013 #208

I'd like to see am FDR-style, unequivocal 'fuck you' to the hyper-wealthy. Flatulo Sep 2013 #210

Uh oh tazkcmo Sep 2013 #7

See above. n/t Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #8

No surprises there. n/t QC Sep 2013 #9

And not just Senator Sanders under the bus... woo me with science Sep 2013 #124

All 626,011 of them suffer from acute ODS!!! QC Sep 2013 #125

Who said that or are you just being clever? busterbrown Sep 2013 #144

FDR on "monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering" deutsey Sep 2013 #11

Sanders has been speaking out a lot lately. Hope he keeps it up. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #12

As has the President. I hope they both keep it up. nt tridim Sep 2013 #15

So true � 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #184

There are "blue dog"dems and DINOs - I'd like to have ... ReasonableToo Sep 2013 #226

K and R bigwillq Sep 2013 #14

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #16

Today's news from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.): L0oniX Sep 2013 #20

Thanks for adding this L0oniX. Scuba Sep 2013 #57

I like Bernie�s policy positions � 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #185

"is the President now charged with writing legislation?" R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #198

That's a buck passing ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #212

Lead, follow or get out of the way. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #213

He would probably ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #238

How wonderful of you to tell me what he might say so yo can agree with it. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #252

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #259

I would suggest that the President stop appointing coporate suits to positions of power R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #260

And his not appointing corporate suits ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #261

The corporates suits that you intimate don't exists... R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #262

I have not intimated anything ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #264

"I have not intimated anything ..." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #265

Roll your eyes all you want ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #266

For a supposedly strong man you give weak replies. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #267

Your continued non-response ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #272

See post 262. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #273

See post #264. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #274

264 was a blatant lie, but then you know that. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #275

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #277

it s a blatant lie because you were caught in it. Yes, you are done. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #279

Yeah, okay; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #280

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #242

I have used an analogy to explain this ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #247

In my living memory, and I'm pushing 70, there has Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #248

So true ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #258

Maybe having those trade deals negotiated in secret is having an affect. L0oniX Sep 2013 #214

how is that response to my post? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #246

That ws a satisfying read. truedelphi Sep 2013 #219

He's not perfect but a hella better than most. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #223

What a great POTUS Senator Sanders would be. dotymed Sep 2013 #253

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #24

I stand with Bernie. Bernie stands with the people Autumn Sep 2013 #25

Will Obama MEAN it though? nt alp227 Sep 2013 #26

President Obama has said many times that he stands with rury Sep 2013 #27

It would help if certain a Democrat would stop appointing Republicans to head government agencies. RC Sep 2013 #30

So its bad when our first Black President who is considered a Muslim Terrorist by many, Born in... busterbrown Sep 2013 #152

Possibly � 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #186

What Obama "says", and what he "does" ... bvar22 Sep 2013 #58

He;s listening LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #63

Cite some actual actions, please. Marr Sep 2013 #85

In order to prevent the shutdown of govt.. Are you kidding me? busterbrown Sep 2013 #154

The President also said he wouldn't put chained CPI on the table Doctor_J Sep 2013 #142

Comfortable shoes and all... R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #270

Bernie Sanders and Alan Grayson 1ProudAtheist Sep 2013 #31

Don't forget Senator Warren. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #35

And JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #71

Grijalva, Baldwin, Duckworth, etc. Scuba Sep 2013 #131

Duckworth? What makes her a liberal or a progressive? Has she even made noises about being AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #173

Voices is right � 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #187

With Little To No 1ProudAtheist Sep 2013 #191

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #211

Somebody has to ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #32

So I guess you missed the President's speech on this exact topic earlier this week? nt tridim Sep 2013 #50

When the President disavows the TPP ... Laelth Sep 2013 #70

Speeches are nice, warm, fuzzy peaches. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #74

so you are saying Bernie's suggestion wouldn't do anything anyway. Whisp Sep 2013 #167

I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #175

so Bernie isn't suggesting that Obama use his words in a speech? Whisp Sep 2013 #178

What Obama needs to do is actually do what he says in his speeches. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #179

and Congress, what do they have to do? Whisp Sep 2013 #180

Congress hasn't done their job, either. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #182

You keep offering a speech in place of policy examples. Marr Sep 2013 #86

Obama can save his speeches. I want action. nt Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #33

Where is Sander's "action"? tridim Sep 2013 #53

When id he do that? All I remember is a mandate to buy insurance... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #60

^^ this ^^ piratefish08 Sep 2013 #67

^^ this ^^ AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #174

That would be because you're short-sighted and ignorant. tridim Sep 2013 #240

bwahahaha. you really don't know much about this. cali Sep 2013 #69

Oh please. Tiredofthesame Sep 2013 #161

Where is Sanders' action? tridim Sep 2013 #241

You mean like that found in post #37? JoePhilly Sep 2013 #68

Great then start with the Extremists in the House and then .. busterbrown Sep 2013 #156

How are Bernie�s � 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #189

Why It Matters That Home Care Workers Just Got New Labor Rights (updated) ProSense Sep 2013 #37

All these blue links since 1:00 and no replies. Made my night. Tiredofthesame Sep 2013 #164

Who are you talking to? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #203

What an irrational and strange thing for someone to say. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #39

DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #43

Perhaps a little listening for those tuning in Bernie Sanders nolabels Sep 2013 #45

Here's more from Bernie. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #46

I STAND with Bernie! bvar22 Sep 2013 #56

Love the way he talks. MuseRider Sep 2013 #76

Bernie Sanders never really loved him! QC Sep 2013 #81

Why would Bernie suggest that the President lie? He stands with Penny Pritzker. Duh! nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #99

...and Rubin. nt snappyturtle Sep 2013 #101

Let's not get started on the list. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #102

Bernie Gets It. Phlem Sep 2013 #109

Agree, on all counts MissDeeds Sep 2013 #121

Don't hold your breath, Bernie. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #111

Welp. Everyone move over. Make room under this bus for one more. Vanje Sep 2013 #115

Hell, He's probably been there a while Vanje Sep 2013 #118

"and if my bosses hate me, so be it." Precisely Sep 2013 #126

Hear... Hear... WillyT Sep 2013 #145

he would, but then he'd look back over his shoulder to the rich and mouth, yurbud Sep 2013 #146

The President has said just that many times. Whisp Sep 2013 #162

LOL Link? grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #166

you are kidding. Whisp Sep 2013 #168

No, I'm not. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #169

you want me to go hunting for links for you? Whisp Sep 2013 #170

Actually if you make a statement then you should be able to back it up with content. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #206

I'm not playing your game. Whisp Sep 2013 #216

Famous quotes and the like. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #217

You lost this round, badly. Scuba Sep 2013 #229

ha! sez You? Whisp Sep 2013 #254

K&R DeSwiss Sep 2013 #215

If only hed approach the wealthy as FDR did.. iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #218

Hell yeah! Go Bernie! liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #224

Thank you, God, and Vermont, for Bernie Sanders! juajen Sep 2013 #225

I'd like to see him do more than say it Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #236

Bernie! AzDar Sep 2013 #249

Kick R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #263

Yes he does. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #276

Why can't Bernie be President? LibAsHell Sep 2013 #278