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In reply to the discussion: We are no better than them [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)63. Without "ideals",
there is no moral compass with which to measure movement & direction.
This makes it easy to mistake "movement" for "progress",
and has enabled the constant movement of the Democratic Party to the Conservative Right all in the name of "pragmatism".
Thanks for the OP devoid of Issues and Values,
but I'll be sticking with these "ideals".
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established [font size=3]for allregardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens."
--FDR, SOTU,1944
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens."
--FDR, SOTU,1944
Please note that FDR specified the above ideals as Basic Human Rights, to be protected and administered by our Government of the people,
and NOT as commodities to be sold to Americans by Private Corporations.
When a politician moves TOWARD these ideals, I will support him/her.
When a politician moves AWAY from these "ideals", I will OPPOSE him/her.
Sadly, The "Centrist" Leadership of the Democratic Party has mostly Moved AWAY from these ideals over the last 25 years,
and I find few issues I can enthusiastically SUPPORT from our centrist leadership today.
Thanks, but No Thanks!
I will be keeping my "ideals",
and using them as a Moral Compass to measure Progress and Direction.
[font size=3]CENTRISM!!!...because it is so PRAGMATIC!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
and get to insult those who DO!!!
You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

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personally, I think "thinking' in such simplistic and meaningless terms is very revealing
cali
Sep 2013
#19
It is. We should embrace intellectualism, pragmatism, common sense, and nuance.
JaneyVee
Sep 2013
#83
Being a fighter against an intransigent GOP is like banging your head against a wall.
randome
Sep 2013
#3
Your concerns are noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns and enjoy your stay. nt
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#4
First of all your argument would be better articulated if it were broken down into paragraphs
el_bryanto
Sep 2013
#5
They do it because the fact is the Third Way centrists are the Democratic verison of
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#40
But even Krugman, who has criticized Obama--sometimes unfairly in my view--has come around
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#36
My reference to Krugman had to do with Chained CPI and life expectancy.
WorseBeforeBetter
Sep 2013
#72
I agree with you to a certain extent, but I'm just not that pessimistic. I think Obama has been a
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#74
"I honestly believe that a lot of us are no better than right wing tea party republicans"
WorseBeforeBetter
Sep 2013
#65
Don't you think it's a bit silly to be emotionally invested in a politician?
WorseBeforeBetter
Sep 2013
#32
I always thought that Obama fights behind closed doors not in public. Just because we don't see him
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#37
I agree with #3 as well. I don't think he ever intended on picking Summers, either.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#38
and now she looks a whole lot more 'progressive' than she actually would if not
grantcart
Sep 2013
#43
I have several friends who work at the Fed and they, too, like Yellen. They think she's much more
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#45
He's a part of the Wall Street Establishment. He does what he needs to be done, but he's not a game
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#77
So we need to be Bush-era Republicans rather than teaparty Republicans? Cool.
cthulu2016
Sep 2013
#49
Let me share what my meager little "walnut brain" knows about Larry Summers:
bullwinkle428
Sep 2013
#59
we are not better than 'them' because we've given up critical thinking
La Lioness Priyanka
Sep 2013
#67
There is a tiny group of like minded duers who do seem to hate most duers, but your OP needs to be
quinnox
Sep 2013
#68
I'm going to make a guess that you were born or came of consciousness since or after Reagan, right?
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2013
#88