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153. Florida doesn't have open carry

Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:40 PM

Sep 2013

In some ways, I would actually prefer that so I could see who is carrying and LEAVE their presence. Do I have that right? Concealed is almost like cheating, and devious. Other people don't know who you are, and therefore, cannot avoid you. Think we want to be around you? Guess again.

My husband has a CCW. I have flat out told him that I will not go anywhere with him if he is carrying. As his wife, I CAN FRISK him myself. Cannot do that with strangers in supermarkets, gas stations, etc, who I also don't want to be around with their guns.

SHOW yourself so I can protect MY rights to not be near you. As a "gun grabber" I would rather have Open Carry.

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The reason these people want to carry guns in public places like Starbucks is to shut up anyone... [View all] phantom power Sep 2013 OP

True, Sir: The Motive Is Intimidation The Magistrate Sep 2013 #1

intimidation kardonb Sep 2013 #31

For these people, guns are indeed a fetish. Maedhros Sep 2013 #82

^^^Yes^^^ That kind of fetish. Hekate Sep 2013 #94

Excuse me, ya'll, but I think it is the same "fetish". juajen Sep 2013 #100

Oh, I think there most definitely is often pangaia Sep 2013 #156

You hit the nail squarely on the head, sir. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #46

Intimidation it is, and my guess is they love every minute of it. Zimmerman is one of "those" ... Hekate Sep 2013 #79

Bingo! defacto7 Sep 2013 #109

This is so obviously.... Walk away Sep 2013 #2

See, foot and gun, same fetishes. juajen Sep 2013 #104

Indeed. Robb Sep 2013 #3

I missed that (back then). LittleGirl Sep 2013 #36

Ah, that's where "delicate flower" came from... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #198

VIP - Very Important Post kentuck Sep 2013 #4

The best reason people carry guns in places as Starbucks is showing their non-sensible ownership of Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #5

Spot on. Intimidation. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #6

Yep, the gun-as-argument-winner mentality. I've seen it with my own eyes. arcane1 Sep 2013 #7

K&R! tosh Sep 2013 #8

Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #9

I doubt it. I suspect for most it is a form of political speech... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #10

That doesn't do much to endear them to me either. Skidmore Sep 2013 #21

Nor me. In either case. nt Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #22

Someone going to get coffee wearing a loaded gun is... "polical speech"... Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #37

Yep. I know some of them. -nt Bonx Sep 2013 #38

It is BlueJac Sep 2013 #48

They ain't fooling nobody. kentuck Sep 2013 #56

I disagree. The biblical tracts cannot kill you, intentionaly or accidentally. I don't think Squinch Sep 2013 #58

Bingo. Chris got it right. Shemp Howard Sep 2013 #119

Only ten percent? kentuck Sep 2013 #155

Please don't jump to conclusions. Shemp Howard Sep 2013 #173

Beware, they might point a loaded bible at your head. <:rolleyes:> nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #128

Intimidate 'em back. Learned that from my mom. hunter Sep 2013 #11

You propose threatening violence? Not sure I want you on my team. nt Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #24

They're "threatening violence." They mean to be intimidating. hunter Sep 2013 #27

Actually, they might shoot you. Most support Stand Your Ground laws for this very reason. Hoyt Sep 2013 #28

They'll probably miss. hunter Sep 2013 #34

Use non-violent intimidation Half-Century Man Sep 2013 #49

And Markley's Law appears: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #71

Just shooting for a laugh. Half-Century Man Sep 2013 #164

Maybe. I choose not to roll that particular set of dice. Thor_MN Sep 2013 #65

You didn't think that through did you? GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #184

A charge of mayhem would be worth the risk. hunter Sep 2013 #186

I say TAKE THEM AWAY!!!! dickthegrouch Sep 2013 #12

Their "entire tribe?" Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #17

Until they don't /nt dickthegrouch Sep 2013 #18

Yes, and...? Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #41

Other groups don't have toys whose sole purpose is to kill. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #51

Golly, if that's the "sole purpose," then they must be really, really bad at it. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #66

The sole purpose of an object... Vilis Veritas Sep 2013 #111

Actually it does, by virtue of the word "sole". ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #174

The entire tribe includes those that do not self regulate. So no, the tribe is not regulating itself Squinch Sep 2013 #60

A minuscule minority invalidates the idea of self-regulation? Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #68

You may not like the NRA, but you are spreading their talking points, and telling me Squinch Sep 2013 #72

Rather than attempting to poison the well, why not refute the assertions? Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #74

Glad to be ignored by you and your incessant spouting of NRA talking points. Squinch Sep 2013 #77

Couldn't resist one less vacuous slander, could you. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #81

Imagine my disappointment. Squinch Sep 2013 #84

Which is good Turbineguy Sep 2013 #86

It's good regardless. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #89

Thank you for making my point. Turbineguy Sep 2013 #148

If I were to light up a smoke with my coffee... MindPilot Sep 2013 #13

I don't believe in open carry, concealed carry is preferable for a variety of reasons badtoworse Sep 2013 #14

I don't "believe" in concealed carry either. hunter Sep 2013 #23

One of the major reasons I prefer concealed is that you don't notice it. badtoworse Sep 2013 #26

I've been a teacher. I notice stuff. hunter Sep 2013 #29

Being a teacher doesn't give you X-ray vision. rl6214 Sep 2013 #139

Good choice for you sarisataka Sep 2013 #78

I can still run, it just hurts like hell. hunter Sep 2013 #114

Hope your neighborhood turns around sarisataka Sep 2013 #135

I don't like either. HappyMe Sep 2013 #63

It's about intimidation AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #15

That's one reason I generally disapprove of open carry (at least in non-rural areas). Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #16

I agree. Shemp Howard Sep 2013 #182

Yep, their guns are penis-extenders Larkspur Sep 2013 #19

What took you so long? badtoworse Sep 2013 #33

The metaphor will be retired when gun nuts go extinct or get some commonsense. Larkspur Sep 2013 #40

Or when the people using it grow the fuck up. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #42

The term "nut-sack" is a common name for a gun's high-volume ammo pouch Orrex Sep 2013 #43

Common? Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #47

Common. Ask your gun-buddies who served in Iraq. Orrex Sep 2013 #52

No, I'm not remotely "splitting hairs." Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #70

I see the diference, and it's not as big a difference as you pretend. Orrex Sep 2013 #92

Oh, really? oldhippie Sep 2013 #80

Really. Orrex Sep 2013 #95

That term "200 round soft pack magazine" ... oldhippie Sep 2013 #101

Perhaps you can point me to the post where I stated that I'd seen it in a Starbuck's Orrex Sep 2013 #105

Only for you would I google "nut sack" and "ammo" Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #134

Duzy! Tien1985 Sep 2013 #137

I'm hoping it cracked up the NSA monitors too. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #138

Well, no I can't .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #165

Thanks for the kind words, but... Orrex Sep 2013 #177

Orrex never said this ridiculous thing you've accused him of saying, which makes you not credible CreekDog Sep 2013 #160

WTF are you talking about? oldhippie Sep 2013 #162

i've been involved in the gun debate, and shooting sports for decades... beevul Sep 2013 #90

I believe you. Orrex Sep 2013 #96

Common? In what circles? Certainly none I am familiar with. rl6214 Sep 2013 #140

. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2013 #144

But not before you get sexism out of your system. A large number of women own & carry guns. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #131

The shoe often fits. Squinch Sep 2013 #61

There you go with your infantile gun = shoe imagery Orrex Sep 2013 #97

Crap. I was going for the infantile gun = foot measuring thing with the slidy thing imagery. Squinch Sep 2013 #99

. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2013 #146

absolutely nt G_j Sep 2013 #20

because freedom! KG Sep 2013 #25

And the best thing you can do is take your business elsewhere ... Auggie Sep 2013 #30

That's just what I'd do. I'd also distribute this: classof56 Sep 2013 #179

AND they get off on being Badasses Everyone's Afraid Of (TM) MisterP Sep 2013 #32

No, I know some with the mentality- the agenda is to show it as much as possible to mainstream it Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #35

Zealots = dangerous Omnith Sep 2013 #39

No doubt about it... BlueJac Sep 2013 #44

I disagree to a point... JohnnyRingo Sep 2013 #45

Q.E.D. skamaria Sep 2013 #50

Open carry is nothing more than public intimidation. Paladin Sep 2013 #53

I can picture some idiot sitting there all day listening for gun talk just to shut it down. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #54

Call 911 . . . OldRedneck Sep 2013 #55

So you recommend breaking the law? rl6214 Sep 2013 #142

Bigotry and shameful The Straight Story Sep 2013 #57

Some people are just plain afraid of the unfamiliar. LAGC Sep 2013 #178

To me it proves Iliyah Sep 2013 #59

Exactly DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #62

Some say it is intimidation, I say it is insecurity. Rex Sep 2013 #64

When someone is so insecure that they have to show me their gun... Iggo Sep 2013 #67

The only defense to a bad cup of coffee with a gun is a good cup of coffee with a gun. merrily Sep 2013 #69

the right-wing sees it as "CHECKS & BALANCES" napkinz Sep 2013 #73

There is also a secondary reason for confrontational carrying of firearms in public.... TinkerTot55 Sep 2013 #75

Guaranteed... TRoN33 Sep 2013 #76

And it's working Turbineguy Sep 2013 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #85

Coercion Octafish Sep 2013 #87

I don't go into town much so I MuseRider Sep 2013 #88

Intimidation etherealtruth Sep 2013 #91

Anyone else noticing in these threads how the gunners have adopted the word Squinch Sep 2013 #93

It seems accurate sarisataka Sep 2013 #102

Ah, yes. The gun creed. Squinch Sep 2013 #103

This is the only gun creed I know sarisataka Sep 2013 #108

Well the mindset of many anti-gun types here is much like bigots Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #106

Poor persecuted dears. No wonder you need guns. Squinch Sep 2013 #107

I admit it, I'm bigoted against those who pollute society with their gunz. Hoyt Sep 2013 #154

Waaah. . .the people who want sensible gun control are big bad bullies. Let me alert their posts Nanjing to Seoul Sep 2013 #170

It goes along with the whole "heterosexual white Christian males are the real victims" thing. DanTex Sep 2013 #112

And don't miss the post that just equated the treatment of gun owners Squinch Sep 2013 #116

I see you missed my point Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #120

YOu said: "Substitute "gun owner" for "black male" and you have exactly the same thought pattern Squinch Sep 2013 #121

I see you still can't comprehend it Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #122

Right. Because the plight of the gun owner is the same as Squinch Sep 2013 #123

Forget it, you clearly can't comprehend. Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #124

Yes, you and that sticky wicket NRA talking point about the discrimination against gun owners Squinch Sep 2013 #126

They prefer to be called "Firearm Americans." Respect their struggle! Robb Sep 2013 #161

They'll either overcome, or shoot you in a fit of pique. Squinch Sep 2013 #200

And come on.... With all the mass shootings, who wouldn't be alarmed?! glowing Sep 2013 #98

Of someone wears a shirt or sports a tattoo Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #110

Shirts don't give a person the ability to instantly kill anyone in a 50 foot radius. DanTex Sep 2013 #113

So are ccw folks zealots as well? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #115

Open carriers are worse: not only do the want to be able to kill anyone in an instant, DanTex Sep 2013 #118

we have a few gun carriers around here azureblue Sep 2013 #117

Could Have? thefool_wa Sep 2013 #127

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #132

no you are thefool_wa Sep 2013 #136

Cops have been shot by their own guns. hunter Sep 2013 #168

So, more like wandering firearm dispensers? Sentath Sep 2013 #133

Aren't you cool. rl6214 Sep 2013 #143

Disgusting thefool_wa Sep 2013 #125

That's the worst kind of generalization you can make? IveWornAHundredPants Sep 2013 #145

How so? thefool_wa Sep 2013 #147

All I needed was the one word. IveWornAHundredPants Sep 2013 #149

PERHAPS! thefool_wa Sep 2013 #150

"Horribly violent world." truebluegreen Sep 2013 #151

I don't recall ever saying it takes guts to carry a gun. thefool_wa Sep 2013 #166

Then what did this mean? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #191

They served, you didn't. thefool_wa Sep 2013 #193

Bullshit. Moses2SandyKoufax Sep 2013 #157

Wow thefool_wa Sep 2013 #169

Rambling gibberish that sounds like anecdotal evidence. Moses2SandyKoufax Sep 2013 #172

Laughing at someones death thefool_wa Sep 2013 #202

The word your looking for is terrorism. Intimidation also works. n/t Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #129

I don't know why these businesses just don't ban firearms from their premises. CANDO Sep 2013 #130

Many businesses in my city do. hunter Sep 2013 #171

Becuase DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #185

They can SUE themselves into oblivion. CANDO Sep 2013 #194

The purpose of the planned assemblies is normalization of carrying firearms aikoaiko Sep 2013 #141

"Menacing" is the best way to describe it .................... nt rdharma Sep 2013 #152

As if that goal is some sort of improvement. Paladin Sep 2013 #190

Of course there is no need to respond to you, but I will for the pleasure. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #192

Whatever fears the public has over open carry, those fears are well-justified. Paladin Sep 2013 #195

I do talk to my fellow gun owners on forums and in person and many oppose open carry stunts. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #196

Extra points granted for the "open carry stunts" terminology. (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #197

Florida doesn't have open carry HockeyMom Sep 2013 #153

It would take someone... Cheviteau Sep 2013 #158

One may or may not sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #159

I'd say that includes the ones with badges. rwsanders Sep 2013 #163

You are exactly right. Fortunately, here in NYC, we don't have to deal with this garbage. stevenleser Sep 2013 #167

ORLY? LAGC Sep 2013 #180

Your link is to something that can happen anywhere. Once again, what we don't have is idiots stevenleser Sep 2013 #189

Cannot reason with the gun fellaters (ht to rude pundit for that term) RT Atlanta Sep 2013 #175

Glad I never bought anything Star Bucks. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #176

People are idoits to carry a gun out in the open for everyone to see... wundermaus Sep 2013 #181

From the ones I've met... bobclark86 Sep 2013 #183

Same here. When I see someone other than a policeman with a gun, I clear out. gtar100 Sep 2013 #187

I think some of it is just dumbassness -A kind of belligerent "because I can and you can't stop me" Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #188

I would never OC in public because I don't want to be intimidated ileus Sep 2013 #199

Usually, somebody carrying a gun up to the counter means that a robbery is in progress Kolesar Sep 2013 #201