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bvar22

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80. Try reading my post again .

Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:44 PM

Sep 2013

Here, I'll bullet point and bold the important parts to help you remember:

*Please note that FDR specified the above ideals as Basic Human Rights, to be protected and administered by our Government of the people,
and NOT as commodities to be sold to Americans by Private Corporations.

*When a politician moves TOWARD these ideals, I will support him/her.
*When a politician moves AWAY from these "ideals", I will OPPOSE him/her.

*Sadly, The "Centrist" Leadership of the Democratic Party has mostly Moved AWAY from these ideals over the last 25 years,
and I find few issues I can enthusiastically SUPPORT from our centrist leadership today.

*Without "ideals",there is no moral compass with which to measure movement & direction. This makes it easy to mistake "movement" for "progress",
and has enabled the constant movement of the Democratic Party to the Conservative Right all in the name of "pragmatism".

Now, if you would like to disagree,
lets disagree about the things I have actually said.

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We are no better than them [View all] think_critically Sep 2013 OP

This should go well. JaneyVee Sep 2013 #1

personally, I think "thinking' in such simplistic and meaningless terms is very revealing cali Sep 2013 #19

What exactly does it reveal? JaneyVee Sep 2013 #30

that you think being the smartest person in D.C. cali Sep 2013 #82

It is. We should embrace intellectualism, pragmatism, common sense, and nuance. JaneyVee Sep 2013 #83

Yep nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #44

+1 n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #75

Since you "hate to say this," perhaps you shouldn't. antiquie Sep 2013 #2

Being a fighter against an intransigent GOP is like banging your head against a wall. randome Sep 2013 #3

Your concerns are noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #4

First of all your argument would be better articulated if it were broken down into paragraphs el_bryanto Sep 2013 #5

it's not about agreeing with my positions think_critically Sep 2013 #10

lol. I'm not idealistic. cali Sep 2013 #20

Exactly what war is being won if the Keystone battle is lost? WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #25

I'd like to see tazkcmo Sep 2013 #27

I just wish G_j Sep 2013 #6

We have always been here MuseRider Sep 2013 #15

exactly G_j Sep 2013 #28

They do it because the fact is the Third Way centrists are the Democratic verison of Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #40

Thank you! markpkessinger Sep 2013 #76

The Clintons get kicked around pretty good here BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #7

Hurry up, MIRT, before this one makes 17 more posts. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #8

this. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #29

^^This^^ plus. Nay Sep 2013 #33

Jury Results Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #9

don't mean to be insulting to du members at all think_critically Sep 2013 #14

OH look at Number 1 treestar Sep 2013 #55

Is there any way you could insert a paragraph break or two in there? LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #11

You're not missing a thing. (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #13

Likewise. I need to have thoughts broken up Downwinder Sep 2013 #17

Thank you, now I can read it, thanks for the paragraph breaks! LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #39

pro tip: paragraphs. use them dionysus Sep 2013 #12

Verily your vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose leftstreet Sep 2013 #16

ack. paragraph breaks are important. cali Sep 2013 #18

You are entitled to your opinions, the OP is entitled to his/hers. blue neen Sep 2013 #41

proving my point think_critically Sep 2013 #51

it certainly did not prove whatever point you may have had. cali Sep 2013 #57

We are INFINITELY better than them. LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #21

Good post think_critically Sep 2013 #24

Educate yourself on life expectancies. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #31

But even Krugman, who has criticized Obama--sometimes unfairly in my view--has come around Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #36

My reference to Krugman had to do with Chained CPI and life expectancy. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #72

I agree with you to a certain extent, but I'm just not that pessimistic. I think Obama has been a Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #74

wow think_critically Sep 2013 #60

"I honestly believe that a lot of us are no better than right wing tea party republicans" WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #65

Holy crap! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #90

That should be a stand alone OP. Autumn Sep 2013 #42

First: congratulations on your ability to use spell check. Aristus Sep 2013 #22

Ah, bitter grapes... Obama v. the Clintons. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #23

not trying to lecture think_critically Sep 2013 #26

Don't you think it's a bit silly to be emotionally invested in a politician? WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #32

I always thought that Obama fights behind closed doors not in public. Just because we don't see him Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #37

The Tea Party got co-opted by the Republican Party... diwali 1103 Sep 2013 #34

This is pretty funny on a lot levels, even though I like your spirit. grantcart Sep 2013 #35

I agree with #3 as well. I don't think he ever intended on picking Summers, either. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #38

and now she looks a whole lot more 'progressive' than she actually would if not grantcart Sep 2013 #43

I have several friends who work at the Fed and they, too, like Yellen. They think she's much more Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #45

Interesting. What did they think of Bernanke? grantcart Sep 2013 #46

He's a part of the Wall Street Establishment. He does what he needs to be done, but he's not a game Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #77

Bernanke is MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN SUMMERS cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #50

apparently you didn't understand my post grantcart Sep 2013 #61

That's a lot of conspiracy theory to explain something that cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #86

I understand that you have difficulty following more complex points grantcart Sep 2013 #89

Are you any better than the right wing tea party republicans? NCTraveler Sep 2013 #47

did you read the post think_critically Sep 2013 #53

I read the whole post... NCTraveler Sep 2013 #62

Maybe you should have posted this in the Barack Obama group. NaturalHigh Sep 2013 #48

So we need to be Bush-era Republicans rather than teaparty Republicans? Cool. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #49

Did you even read the op think_critically Sep 2013 #54

Your whole point was as I described it cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #56

Speak for yourself n/t arcane1 Sep 2013 #52

You and who else? Iggo Sep 2013 #58

Let me share what my meager little "walnut brain" knows about Larry Summers: bullwinkle428 Sep 2013 #59

Without "ideals", bvar22 Sep 2013 #63

Too bad those Basic Human Rights did not extend to Japanese Americans. blue neen Sep 2013 #64

Your remarks have nothing to do with the substance of my post, bvar22 Sep 2013 #66

My remarks have everything to do with your post. blue neen Sep 2013 #73

Try reading my post again . bvar22 Sep 2013 #80

we are not better than 'them' because we've given up critical thinking La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #67

There is a tiny group of like minded duers who do seem to hate most duers, but your OP needs to be quinnox Sep 2013 #68

yea and some folks think I did the opposite think_critically Sep 2013 #69

Heh, yup, looks like you pissed off most duers quinnox Sep 2013 #70

proving my point think_critically Sep 2013 #71

Snowden - Coward - Would You Have Similar Courage - Most Likely Not cantbeserious Sep 2013 #78

That is what always hear... liberal N proud Sep 2013 #79

you bring Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #81

ah, fuck you, you elehhhhna Sep 2013 #84

hmm Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #91

yup, thanks! elehhhhna Sep 2013 #93

I don't alert Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #94

evidently nobody alerts when it's directed at you elehhhhna Sep 2013 #95

Kewl story bro! Rex Sep 2013 #85

Ugh. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #87

I'm going to make a guess that you were born or came of consciousness since or after Reagan, right? Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #88

Poor Obama. He's so powerless. senseandsensibility Sep 2013 #92