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In reply to the discussion: Pentagon Proposes....wait for it....Boots on the Ground. [View all]Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)35. Chomsky just said this a few days ago:
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The same was true in Vietnam. The primary motive for the Indochina wars, going back to the early 1950s, was presented here as the domino theory. But what that meant was, if you read the internal records, that there was a fear, a justified fear, that successful independent development in Vietnam might spread through the region, might spread contagion through the region. Others would attempt the same path, that itself was of no great significance, but it might spread as far as Indonesia, which has rich resources, and there, too, there might be a move towards independent development, independent of U.S. domination. And it was even feared that that might bring in Japan. John Dower, the famous Asia historian, described Japan as the "superdomino." The U.S. was concerned, deeply concerned, that if Southeast Asia moved toward independent development, Japan would "accommodate," the word that was used, to East and Southeastern Asia, becoming its technological industrial center and creating a system, an Asian system, from which the U.S. would maybe not be excluded, but at least which it wouldnt control. Now, the U.S. had fought the Second World War to prevent that. Thats Japans new order, and it was in danger of being reconstituted if Indochina gained independence. Thats the domino theory. And that was understood. McGeorge Bundy, Kennedy-Johnson national security adviser, in retrospect, observed that the Vietnam Warthe United States should have called off the Vietnam War in 1965. Why 1965? Well, because in 1965 a U.S.-backed military coup took place in Indonesia, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people, wiping out the only mass-based political party and instituting a regime of torture and terror, but opening the country up to Western exploitation, with its rich resources, and that meant that the Vietnam War was essentially over. The U.S. had won its main objectives. It was pointless to continue it.
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http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/11/chomsky_instead_of_illegal_threat_to
The same was true in Vietnam. The primary motive for the Indochina wars, going back to the early 1950s, was presented here as the domino theory. But what that meant was, if you read the internal records, that there was a fear, a justified fear, that successful independent development in Vietnam might spread through the region, might spread contagion through the region. Others would attempt the same path, that itself was of no great significance, but it might spread as far as Indonesia, which has rich resources, and there, too, there might be a move towards independent development, independent of U.S. domination. And it was even feared that that might bring in Japan. John Dower, the famous Asia historian, described Japan as the "superdomino." The U.S. was concerned, deeply concerned, that if Southeast Asia moved toward independent development, Japan would "accommodate," the word that was used, to East and Southeastern Asia, becoming its technological industrial center and creating a system, an Asian system, from which the U.S. would maybe not be excluded, but at least which it wouldnt control. Now, the U.S. had fought the Second World War to prevent that. Thats Japans new order, and it was in danger of being reconstituted if Indochina gained independence. Thats the domino theory. And that was understood. McGeorge Bundy, Kennedy-Johnson national security adviser, in retrospect, observed that the Vietnam Warthe United States should have called off the Vietnam War in 1965. Why 1965? Well, because in 1965 a U.S.-backed military coup took place in Indonesia, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people, wiping out the only mass-based political party and instituting a regime of torture and terror, but opening the country up to Western exploitation, with its rich resources, and that meant that the Vietnam War was essentially over. The U.S. had won its main objectives. It was pointless to continue it.
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http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/11/chomsky_instead_of_illegal_threat_to
Wonder if Chomsky is Wood Alcohol or Strychnine?
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When You Seek Out People Who Make Stuff Up, Sir, It Complicates It Even More
The Magistrate
Sep 2013
#15
Indeed, Sir: Cut With Strychnine And Wood Alcohol Seems To Be Your Tipple....
The Magistrate
Sep 2013
#29
Indeed, Mac's legacy is escalation. Few to many boots in little steps. That was exactly my point.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#22
Not until they capped Diem and JFK, then it became clear. Until then, it was just another hot spot.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#30
I remember Vietnam being referred to at the time more as a domino than as a chess piece that might
leveymg
Sep 2013
#52
Funny. I always thought it was China that kept them up at night, until G.H.W. entranced
leveymg
Sep 2013
#48
To be honest, TheKentuckian, I'm not sure, it might be these guys, but I couldn't guarantee it.
Uncle Joe
Sep 2013
#41
Good point. As the concept of strong, centrally (I prefer democratically) enforced laws....
Junkdrawer
Sep 2013
#50
Getting boots on the ground has worked ever so well in Afghanistan, Vietnam, and other civil wars.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2013
#19
Everybody (well, almost everybody) is waiting for the next *ahem* Covert shoe to drop...
Junkdrawer
Sep 2013
#39