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In reply to the discussion: Naomi Wolf: "U.S. is sleepwalking into becoming a police state ... the president can lock up anyone" [View all]Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)17. Oh, that's OK. Obama will certainly veto any bill that includes indefinite detention.
And, the ACLU just loves it:
http://www.aclu.org/indefinite-detention-endless-worldwide-war-and-2012-national-defense-authorization-act
On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. The NDAAs dangerous detention provisions would authorize the president and all future presidents to order the military to pick up and indefinitely imprison people captured anywhere in the world, far from any battlefield.
The breadth of the NDAAs worldwide detention authority violates the Constitution and international law because it is not limited to people captured in an actual armed conflict, as required by the laws of war. Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way. The ACLU does not believe that the NDAA authorizes military detention of American citizens or anyone else in the United States. Any presidents claim of domestic military detention authority under the NDAA would be unconstitutional and illegal. Nevertheless, there is substantial public debate around whether the NDAA could be read even to repeal the Posse Comitatus Act and authorize indefinite military detention without charge or trial within the United States.
Although President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had serious reservations about the NDAAs detention provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use them, and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations. The provisions which were negotiated by a small group of members of Congress, in secret, and without proper congressional review are inconsistent with fundamental American values.
Both Congress and the president need to clean up the mess they have created. No one should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAAs detention authority. The NDAAs detention provisions must be repealed
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Naomi Wolf: "U.S. is sleepwalking into becoming a police state ... the president can lock up anyone" [View all]
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
OP
The statute is what it says. If Obama didn't believe he'd use the power, he wouldn't sign it.
leveymg
Mar 2012
#65
If he was unwilling to sign the Bill, it would be returned to Committee to strip out those sections
leveymg
Mar 2012
#73
I have a broken watch that is correct at 12:18 every day! What do you make of the main article?
Dragonfli
Mar 2012
#10
And oddly enough Bruce Fein was a hero to the Left when he came against Bush's anti-Constitutional
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#32
That doesn't address the point of the OP. Not to mention the fact that you could say Bush
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#58
Shouldn't it be a TOS violation to use a Reaganite Ron Paul advisor to attack Democrats?...nt
SidDithers
Mar 2012
#11
Did you call Bruce Fein a tool when he went after Bush? Airc, Fein was a big hero
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#80
You want to censor someone who was a hero on DU for standing up against his own party
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#57
So Alert on it, Sid, and see if you get a majority of a DU jury to agree with you.
leveymg
Mar 2012
#68
Still stalking Better Believe It I see. Did you alert on it yet? My bet is that it will stand.
L0oniX
Mar 2012
#82
I don't care if she is a Ron Paul supporter. I am too, only to the extent he doesn't want war...
JNathanK
Mar 2012
#24
Oh, that's OK. Obama will certainly veto any bill that includes indefinite detention.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2012
#17
But the ACLU is always complaining about violations of the Constitution and stuff.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#18
I know. They're just professional leftist troublemakers who don't toe the party line.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2012
#19
and president obama's signing statement won't mean jack shit to the next republican admin
frylock
Mar 2012
#29
i think you're being delusional if you believe the republicans will never inhabit the white house..
frylock
Mar 2012
#46
Naomi Wolf "eloquently educated all of us on the perils of unchecked crony capitalism"?...
SidDithers
Mar 2012
#59
Naomi Wolf, Naomi Klein, Matt Taibbi, Jeremy Scahill, Michael Moore the list is long
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#60