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Maedhros

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75. I believe you are referring to this statement by Snowden:
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:49 PM
Sep 2013
http://wikileaks.org/Statement-by-Edward-Snowden-to.html

In it, he does not claim that Russia has "better human rights" than "home" - not in the across-the-board capacity that you are falsely asserting. Here are excerpts from his statement:

(The NSA surveillance program) is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice – that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.


Here Snowden is calling out the reason why he decided to become a whistleblower and bring this issue to the press. In the context of secret courts, secret laws and secret policies, he is correctly noting that this behavior by his goverment is considered a violation of citizens' rights by both the government's own Constitution and international law.

The portion of the statement that I believe you are misconstruing is here:

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.


Snowden is saying, no more and no less, that the countries that are defying American calls for his extradition and that are willing to provide political asylum - on this issue regarding whistleblowing and unconstitutional surveillance alone - are standing against the forces that perpetrated the violation of Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

It is not correct to extend Snowden's endorsement on this issue to cover all other actions of the countries named. Snowden made no claims for supposed Russian superiority in the matter of GLBTQ rights, for example. To do so is to exaggerate simply for the effect of casting Snowden in a bad light and to make it appear that he approves of abhorrent policies on which he made no statement at all.

Your statement

There have been a lot of positive support for Putin, for Russia in general, since the Snowden episode. Even knowing that Putin has made gay people in russia fear for themselves, the cheering still went on that Putin is cooler than Obama, and Russia is da bomb for freedoms.


is a gross exaggeration as well. To agree with Putin's decision to grant asylum to Snowden, or to agree with his op-ed regarding American Exceptionalism (an issue pointed out numerous times here on DU in the past) is by no stretch equivalent to "positive support" for Putin in general - indeed, nearly all of the comments on the op-ed were prefaced with statements that Putin is overall a despicable leader. Any "cheering" was for the notion that American Exceptionalism is bad, not that Putin is good. I suspect that you know this, but are trying to score points by casting your opponents in a bad light.

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Russia Today is a hybrid Kremlin mouthpiece and loony conspiracy theory source. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #1
As if faux News ever changed. go west young man Sep 2013 #47
Assad endorses this message... Turborama Sep 2013 #62
Color Me Surprised, Sir --- Surprised. Stunned. And Amazed.... The Magistrate Sep 2013 #2
DDSS dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #3
Shocker maddezmom Sep 2013 #4
And yet there are people here who will declare it reveled truth. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #5
Please, go find a single post that displays what you claim, Maedhros Sep 2013 #41
I'm not as polite as you. bvar22 Sep 2013 #51
when Snowden claimed Russia had better human rights than 'home' Whisp Sep 2013 #55
You are exaggerating for effect. Maedhros Sep 2013 #64
Pretty sure poster is talking about this leftynyc Sep 2013 #66
Refused to see it is more likely...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #73
I address the statement here: Maedhros Sep 2013 #76
That is laughable leftynyc Sep 2013 #77
If you would care to rebut the contents of my post by showing (rather than telling) Maedhros Sep 2013 #79
Nah - I'm quite content leftynyc Sep 2013 #80
I worship nobody. Maedhros Sep 2013 #83
I believe you are referring to this statement by Snowden: Maedhros Sep 2013 #75
Been to LBN lately? n/t Turborama Sep 2013 #63
There is a long time poster here who loves RT FSogol Sep 2013 #70
No argument there - a number of posters have noted that they enjoy some of the RT content. Maedhros Sep 2013 #74
Some RT has been excrement, but that's true of the NYT, at times. All should be compared and treated leveymg Sep 2013 #78
The news source of choice for useful idiots. nt sufrommich Sep 2013 #6
True dat. n/t FSogol Sep 2013 #71
RT is propaganda LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #7
The 77th Hunger Games Tien1985 Sep 2013 #8
. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #9
But...but....many here claim RT is legit and have no problem linking to it. zappaman Sep 2013 #10
if only we had someone who could get to the bottom of this chicanery! dionysus Sep 2013 #11
Hmmm.....perhaps an investigative reporter from Southern California??? zappaman Sep 2013 #13
time to go on assignment! dionysus Sep 2013 #18
a very 'remarkable' assignment nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #27
Quick! To the coffee shop!... SidDithers Sep 2013 #33
"Facebook"!!! I will never EVER forget that! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #53
Actually, I think Jay Polk is behind all this... SidDithers Sep 2013 #35
Wind power treestar Sep 2013 #67
Oh the Jay Polk story.... zappaman Sep 2013 #84
You can't make me believe it if I don't want to. And you can't make me not believe it, if I want to. pampango Sep 2013 #12
Don't worry, that shit sells great in America. Calling things a 'false flag' is just sooo sexy. freshwest Sep 2013 #14
Is the UN report fake too? former9thward Sep 2013 #15
Not Quite Accurate, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #16
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #17
So You Acknowledge, Sir, Your Claim Regarding The Commission's Findings Is Insupportable The Magistrate Sep 2013 #19
Some can't come to grips with the fact that Assad did it. ProSense Sep 2013 #23
Hear hear ProSense! Iliyah Sep 2013 #31
Don't forget their continued steadfast belief in this monolithic al-Qaeda thing. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #48
Is that the same Al Qaeda that didn't really exist when we talked about Afghanistan? nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #54
It exists, sure, just not as this giant powerful movie-villain organization people portray it as. Posteritatis Sep 2013 #57
more of a franchise or brand than an organization, geek tragedy Sep 2013 #59
Exactly. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #60
10% Al Quaeda? How about nearly 50%? 7962 Sep 2013 #39
The 10 percent is ProSense Sep 2013 #45
I don't really seperate between Al Qaeda and Islamists; they both want repressive Islamist regimes 7962 Sep 2013 #61
But...but... Putin SAID he didn't! Trekologer Sep 2013 #68
Still trying to protect assad? You won't acknowledge Cha Sep 2013 #50
would Fox news do something like this? Whisp Sep 2013 #20
They Have Run False Footage, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #22
It's Ma'am. That's pretty bad, I'm not disagreeing. Whisp Sep 2013 #26
I Agree, Ma'am: There Is A Lot Of Propaganda In Our Media The Magistrate Sep 2013 #28
were the rebels evil gay propagandizers of children? arely staircase Sep 2013 #21
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #24
Always the same bullshit from RT...nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #25
Nah, they're versatile and can produce a wide range of bullshit. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #30
HA! 7962 Sep 2013 #40
10 hidden posts? HangOnKids Sep 2013 #65
Most Of Those Are Bogus Hides, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2013 #69
Indeed n/t Turborama Sep 2013 #72
I agree with what The Magistrate said... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #81
... Scurrilous Sep 2013 #82
As one Twitter person noted, Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #29
The Teabaggers' New Hero rdharma Sep 2013 #32
Possible BolDiya Sep 2013 #34
But Russia virtually admitted it was Assad's government that used the chemical weapons when JDPriestly Sep 2013 #36
Little by little azurnoir Sep 2013 #37
What do you mean here ? Sand Wind Sep 2013 #42
exactly what I said n/t azurnoir Sep 2013 #43
Ok, but then, can you explain explicitly for me, because I really don't understand.nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #44
It seems we're coming full circle WRT Syria n/t azurnoir Sep 2013 #46
Oh, ok..nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #49
Maybe now people will understand why RT is not allowed in LBN. William769 Sep 2013 #38
Assad interviewed by Kucinich ProSense Sep 2013 #52
Kick.nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #56
Shocked! Shocked, I say! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #58
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