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Ken Burch

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20. Being an inadvertent crude oil consumer doesn't make you complicit in U.S. intervention

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 07:43 PM

Sep 2013

in the Arab/Muslim world, or take away your right to call for an end to said intervention.

If most people do the things you list above, it's simply because our leaders have structured our system to make not consuming petroleum all-but-impossible in this country.

Most of us have no alternative but to consume what is offered, if what is offered is essential to life. The system is the issue, not the individual.

The real reason for U.S. involvement in the Arab/Muslim world is the desire by our leaders to create a global empire, not consumer self-indulgence.

Putting it all on consumers is right-wing and self-defeating...it makes change impossible. Besides, since YOU haven't personally starved to death or died from exposure, you are on the same moral plane as the rest of us...so who the hell are you to be so sanctimonious?

And people like me ARE making all the personal changes we can, so give that meme a rest. Unless you are living naked in a cave and eating lichen you've scraped off the neighboring rock, you aren't entitled to judge in the smug, dismissive way that you do.

It's about the 1%...not the 99%.

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OK...I'm glad we didn't strike Syria...but the fact remains... [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2013 OP

I think if only they did have the bomb we would leave them alone. So ironic. dkf Sep 2013 #1

I wonder if the bomb is also able to stop civil war. joshcryer Sep 2013 #2

I doubt it. You can't use a nuke so close to yourself. dkf Sep 2013 #4

I wonder if we'd leave them alone if AQ was about to get the bomb. joshcryer Sep 2013 #6

Doubt it. dkf Sep 2013 #7

If AQ had the bomb and there was a the slightest chance it could get to Washington Fumesucker Sep 2013 #11

so are you going to write congress and white house to oppose pressuring syria JI7 Sep 2013 #3

We just got an agreement with them on that. That issue's done with. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #21

of course "they" invaded Europe and got as far as central France and Vienna :-) nt msongs Sep 2013 #5

I think they mainly did that as they were driving us(Western "Christian" imperialists) back. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #14

Do you drive a car? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #8

I don't drive a car. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #13

Is it really a stretch to tie all those things to crude oil? Let's take a look.... Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #15

Even if you're right about all of that, that still doesn't mean Ken Burch Sep 2013 #16

Of course I'm right about all that. It's a fact. Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #17

People like me are calling for withdrawal AND changing our lives to make it happen. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #18

If you eat, wear clothes, or use any products transported... Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #19

Being an inadvertent crude oil consumer doesn't make you complicit in U.S. intervention Ken Burch Sep 2013 #20

I don't often agree with you, Ken sibelian Sep 2013 #9

And also, the fact remains area51 Sep 2013 #10

I agree. It's time we turned our attention inward. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #12

We also redrew the map of that area, a couple of times. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #22

You're right. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #23

All we ever brought them was the misery of the Crusades? seveneyes Sep 2013 #24

"We" as in "the West"...the area of the world our country's rulers insist on "leading" Ken Burch Sep 2013 #25