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The Magistrate

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13. Worth Reading The Whole 'Tree Of Liberty' Letter, Ma'am
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:30 AM
Sep 2013

It contains a pretty mixed message. The view that Mr. Jefferson talked a better game than he actually played is a sound one.

"I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion. The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted."

- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787[2]

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The amendment was never intended as a blank check for some unstable person to massacre... NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #1
About a year ago I spend a good bit of time researching the history of the 2nd Amendment 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #2
Probably by design. Robb Sep 2013 #5
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #3
The 2A amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms hack89 Sep 2013 #4
A Solid Piece, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #6
You realize you have caused massive headaches amongst certain DUers don't you? CTyankee Sep 2013 #7
I'm sorry, but if he wants to make a real case, he needs to state historical facts and cite sources, Zorra Sep 2013 #8
Worth Reading The Whole 'Tree Of Liberty' Letter, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2013 #13
If the framers were not concerned with domestic tyranny explain the 3rd Amendment. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #9
A nicely-written version... Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #10
"failed"? "discredited"? Only by the extreme RW members of the Supreme Court CTyankee Sep 2013 #12
Or by anyone with even a basic grounding in linguistics. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #14
try some history, first Lizzie. CTyankee Sep 2013 #15
I side with our President and his party. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #16
"happening" to be! CTyankee Sep 2013 #20
Take up your complaint with the President Obama. former9thward Sep 2013 #17
Of course he believes that, since it is the law. CTyankee Sep 2013 #21
President Obama believes any Supreme court decision "since it is the law?" former9thward Sep 2013 #22
well, if he were making your argument I would agree, but we don't know do we? CTyankee Sep 2013 #23
Hey, Will! Did you know that "well regulated" was interpreted differently, back then? Paladin Sep 2013 #11
So, Robert Parry, why didthe founding fathers avoid creating a standing army... aikoaiko Sep 2013 #18
Probably because the young nation didn't have two nickels to rub together jmowreader Sep 2013 #26
Whoa! No love for Jefferson AT ALL. KamaAina Sep 2013 #19
Yeah, I wonder if that's a bit much. The guy couldn't have been *all* bad. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #25
K&R nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #24
What is scary is we have these wackos walking around with huge guns davidpdx Sep 2013 #27
Excellent essay. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #28
Who, was it supposed, would be doing the infringing if not the federal government? Loudly Sep 2013 #29
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