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Eleanors38

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79. Getting past the silliness, the OP dealt with some out-sized violent Southern culture...

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:46 AM

Sep 2013

Yet the indicators or "proof" for this proposition seem exclusively embedded in various white Southern cultures. Many of the responses in this thread are focussed on white symbols and cues.

Missing? The unique contributions to this "violent South" by various black and Hispanic cultures, as if these cultures did not exist. Put another way, a hypothesis of regional violence was made using information suggesting only white cultures influenced this violent region. This prima facie makes the study suspect, and calls into question the motivation for it. It's like discussing Rock & Roll's major contrubutors and mentioning only Hank Williams, Bill Haley, Elvis, and Wanda Jackson, and leaving out Chuck Berry, Thornton, Diddley, and Little Richard.

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"Why The South Is More Violent Than The Rest Of America" [View all] applegrove Sep 2013 OP

I honestly think the heat has something to with it Skittles Sep 2013 #1

Well coming from Canada where we are in a cocoon for half the year I can applegrove Sep 2013 #3

I also believe it is vestigle from the civil war. They lost. That rankles. roguevalley Sep 2013 #24

Many athletically inclined southern boys I met when I was a teenager seemed to be going to Cleita Sep 2013 #31

I ll tell you the heat makes me irritable. rl6214 Sep 2013 #61

AW SAME HERE Skittles Sep 2013 #111

And poverty. Being poor is no help in that. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #105

Oh god, yes etherealtruth Sep 2013 #126

"Top Gear" guys visit Alabama. "Man Love Rules" and "NASCAR sucks" written on side of vehicles. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2

Hilarious! rdharma Sep 2013 #5

Note to self, remove NASCAR Sucks sign from car before driving south. liberal N proud Sep 2013 #104

Well, there's the problem right there Fla_Democrat Sep 2013 #4

"Why The South Is More Violent Than The Rest Of America" BlueJazz Sep 2013 #6

Did the OP limit the "analysis" to only one (1) race? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #20

Did the poster you're replying to mention a race? n/t TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #26

See upstream. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #41

Not sure what you mean but I've observed the same traits in the Female from the South, USA.... BlueJazz Sep 2013 #28

Crime rates vary as to race, income other factors, but Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #47

How did they determine that testosterone levels rose? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #7

I remember something years ago about the Scots-Irish heritage so prevalent... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #8

I believe it was in Joe Bageant's book "Deer Hunting with Jesus"...nt Bigmack Sep 2013 #11

Great book. Recommend it to all. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #49

it's called ignorance, racism and greed gopiscrap Sep 2013 #9

So, only white folks were considered? No other races? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #21

Did the poster you're replying to mention a race? n/t TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #27

See upstream. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #42

One of the many reasons we left the South after a lifetime there. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #10

It's true. xfundy Sep 2013 #12

As a southerner, I have to be honest - ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #13

That's what I thought after my first reading. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2013 #60

A partial explanation of why I see this experiment as flawed Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #83

What the experiment failed to point out ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #85

And that varies by region. Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #87

I disagree....calling a person an asshole ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #88

In Philly the level of profanity direct at strangers shocked me Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #100

Amazing what people ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #101

I don't know. I was shocked when I moved to VT. Politest, friendliest cali Sep 2013 #103

People are more polite in the south--ha ha ha Kolesar Sep 2013 #154

Scott Irish border culture nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #14

No better friend in a foxhole rrneck Sep 2013 #22

thats my excuse pitohui Sep 2013 #131

Not joking nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #133

It's not the heat, it's the humidity. It just pisses people off. JMHO. freshwest Sep 2013 #15

And it goes way back Retrograde Sep 2013 #16

Well, we do have Atlanta, New Orleans, and Memphis... Skip Intro Sep 2013 #17

From the responses, apparently only in good ol' boy white blood. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #25

Did the poster you're replying to mention a race? n/t TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #29

No. just looking at the Scots-Irish,.Good ol' Boy, NASCAR, etc. references... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #35

That junk is getting old, Eleanor's 38 5 shooter. Please Hoyt Sep 2013 #33

This thread is just another episode of white southerners Moses2SandyKoufax Sep 2013 #34

It's disgusting. I live in the middle of it, but have learned to survive. Hoyt Sep 2013 #36

Did the poster you're replying to mention a race? n/t seveneyes Sep 2013 #44

Point on question for all these fans of the South and its white-washed culture. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #40

So people pointing out the South was settled by predominantly Scots-Irish jeff47 Sep 2013 #73

Getting past the silliness, the OP dealt with some out-sized violent Southern culture... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #79

Discussion of one group doesn't mean that group is entirely to blame. jeff47 Sep 2013 #120

Again, this contention is crippled by citing only white cultural phenomena Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #124

Yes, that is a given for many here, it seems. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #118

Precisely. Charges of racism are standard fare with many "liberals." Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #121

thank you Brainstormy Sep 2013 #76

Hmm, does that include all of the south, like South Central, South Side, South Bronx? bluesbassman Sep 2013 #18

May I recommend a book? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #30

Look, I have no problem with examining cultural and socioeconomic regional differences. bluesbassman Sep 2013 #39

In academic circles nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #43

When in NorCal, avoid South Sac. Throd Sep 2013 #74

It seems from the report that hot weather and poverty may be the predominant dynamics. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #19

So why then does the American South have higher murder rate than India? coldmountain Sep 2013 #48

No doubt because U.S. citizens have many more guns than Indians. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #98

That "sultry heat science" had been proffered & debunked Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #51

Do you have a link to the debunking because that doesn't square with the OP? Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #99

My hand-held doesn't reliably link, but here is a Google Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #123

SO where does that other 60% of all violent crime happen? Rex Sep 2013 #23

See this link for a better breakdown maddezmom Sep 2013 #67

Guess that explains all those good ol' boys just spoiling for a fight! polichick Sep 2013 #32

And yet, of the 25 most dangerous cities in the US as ranked by the FBI, Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #37

I recall the first time I drove through the South AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2013 #38

I can name a few places in California that are pretty creepy Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #45

I was only 4 or 5 when I lived in Compton AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2013 #53

I once went to a job interview in Compton Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #54

Ouch. Guess it was a good thing to warn you AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2013 #58

South San Francisco is a separate city KamaAina Sep 2013 #89

There was lots of gang activity in South San Francisco Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #146

By no means all of Oakland is creepy. KamaAina Sep 2013 #90

Poverty. DemocraticWing Sep 2013 #46

+1000 applegrove Sep 2013 #50

+1. nt bemildred Sep 2013 #70

+1 nt Javaman Sep 2013 #72

Can't believe it took 46 posts for this (correct) response to come out. DireStrike Sep 2013 #145

"People in the South are so nice!" Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #52

Compared to other places they are very nice. Dawgs Sep 2013 #64

Briefly as a child Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #125

Regionalistic crap. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #55

+1. Dawgs Sep 2013 #65

Plus another 1 cordelia Sep 2013 #69

+1. nt bemildred Sep 2013 #71

Maybe they should bring back duelling. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #56

So Aggressive, So Macho dem in texas Sep 2013 #57

Bullshit Male "Honor Code" upbringing. PassingFair Sep 2013 #144

I don't find aggression and machismo very attractive meow2u3 Sep 2013 #148

Red state poverty. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #59

Looking at the most violent data with a finer comb, and the states they're including in the south Rstrstx Sep 2013 #62

Maryland and DC are not in the South. I don't have a problem with TX. Dawgs Sep 2013 #63

Thanks for pulling out the stats maddezmom Sep 2013 #66

Of course they will not, it can be seen through this entire thread. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #141

Well done daleo Sep 2013 #134

You haven't started a South bashing thread in a while. cordelia Sep 2013 #68

Come on now. How often do we talk applegrove Sep 2013 #117

The South has pulled us down into its right-to-work cheap-labor, racial animus, and deregulation. Romulox Sep 2013 #75

Which begs the question.... ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #80

The same reason it is so hard to build, but so easy to destroy. Don't you see the destruction? nt Romulox Sep 2013 #82

What I see is a country divided.... ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #84

We don't want the country to fall to the lowest common denominator. With regards to Romulox Sep 2013 #91

Then do something about it. n/t ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #93

Easily explained by all the Yankees that moved here. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #77

So you're calling me an asshole, mole? nolabear Sep 2013 #78

Ah, more fuel for the south haters Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #81

I guess they were running out of things ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #86

Yep, pecwae Sep 2013 #114

And all of the rest of the country ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #116

I don't think it's South Hatred per se Taverner Sep 2013 #94

I will catch hell for this, but many whites in the South feel entitled to something Taverner Sep 2013 #92

Seriously? ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #95

oh heck yeah Taverner Sep 2013 #96

I see very few in Virginia. ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #97

The North has its own blend of "Invisible Racism" Taverner Sep 2013 #102

INVISIBLE???!???? cordelia Sep 2013 #107

It's just called that - hence my quotes Taverner Sep 2013 #109

Of course there is a Klan in the south ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #108

I never said "all" Taverner Sep 2013 #112

You appear to judge the whole south ohheckyeah Sep 2013 #115

Nemo me impune lacessit aikoaiko Sep 2013 #106

Cause they are in the Bible Belt, they are good Christians n/t doc03 Sep 2013 #110

Here is why DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #113

Uneducated, uniformed, encouraged ignorance & republicans using hate to promote fear. LaPera Sep 2013 #119

Other parts of the country take criticism and reality checks all the time. applegrove Sep 2013 #122

Rubbish. One link to one story about poverty in Southern California does not equal cordelia Sep 2013 #150

Fat people would rather shoot than fight Link Speed Sep 2013 #127

It's a technical point of law, just as in the military, where being drunk is a defense. dimbear Sep 2013 #128

And I wonder too if violence doesn't suppress people from not following customary law. Which, applegrove Sep 2013 #129

There do seem to be distinct regional variations in culture. I don't know LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #130

yeah to me people in west are just crass pitohui Sep 2013 #132

Oh I totally understand about the crass thing. I am from Montana and LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #143

A culture of quaker bill Sep 2013 #135

That Scotch-Irish Celtic heritage shit being spouted here is a myth. The Midway Rebel Sep 2013 #136

Nope, not a myth nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #137

From YOUR source... The Midway Rebel Sep 2013 #138

Yes, and many came to virginia as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #139

So, Idaho is part of the South. The Midway Rebel Sep 2013 #140

Cultural geography is your friend nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #142

Scotch Irish has fuck all to do with it... The Midway Rebel Sep 2013 #147

I don't think it's just poverty... YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #151

Little known fact ... dawg Sep 2013 #149

Thanks, Canadian citizen Aerows Sep 2013 #152

Nobody said anything about everyone being that way. Just that some work needs to be done. applegrove Sep 2013 #153

People where I live aren't whiners. We don't have to settle every harm Kolesar Sep 2013 #155