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Lizzie Poppet

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40. You're being absurd.

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:05 PM

Sep 2013

Are you deliberately missing the point? Sure seems that way.

"Anyway, if the murder rate goes down should we do away with murder laws?"

Like I said: absurd.

I'm fairly convinced at this point that I'm wasting my time here, but let me try again. The rationale for getting rid of CCW permitting would be, one assumes, that allowing people to legally carry concealed weapons increases firearms-related violence. The fact that these programs have existed for years, have been increasing in terms of the number of states allowing them and the number of permits issued while at the same time firearms violence rates are dropping likely indicates that CCW permitting is not a significant contributing factor to gun violence.

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Road Rage and easy access to firearms [View all] MichaelHarris Sep 2013 OP

glad nobody who wasn't involved in this got hurt JI7 Sep 2013 #1

Do you mean other than their families? nt longship Sep 2013 #2

i meant mostly that nobody else was shot JI7 Sep 2013 #3

I wonder MichaelHarris Sep 2013 #4

may be a blessing in disguise snooper2 Sep 2013 #14

Their families clearly supported their second amendment rights n/t malaise Sep 2013 #17

Guns: when screaming and yellling aren't enough to solve your problems. Javaman Sep 2013 #5

Which one instigated? Was one of them simply defending himself? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #6

"Road Rage and easy access to guns" kcr Sep 2013 #7

"You know, the topic of the thread?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #9

Where, exactly, did it "adjudicate guilt"? kcr Sep 2013 #11

It assumes both shooters were guilty. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #12

Okay. You're not going to explain how stating the shooting wouldn't have happened whithout guns kcr Sep 2013 #15

There is nothing you can do to create the gun free situation you fictionalize Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #16

No, but you can counter the gun in every hand movement kcr Sep 2013 #18

So as soon as someone steps outside they're home criminals get a free shot? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #19

The idea that the only way to defend ourselves is arming everyone with guns kcr Sep 2013 #21

Women, the elderly and the not physcially dominating choose to own guns. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #22

My argument is based on no such thing kcr Sep 2013 #25

Well, I don't carry a gun and neither does my husband. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #27

I "groused" that you missed the point of the thread because you did. kcr Sep 2013 #28

"I'm against those who are pushing to get people to make that choice in the first place." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #29

It's burning down the house to get rid of the bugs. kcr Sep 2013 #30

Our decision to own/carry guns was bon with ZERO impact from the NRA. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #31

I don't think all gun owners are NRA loving brain dead zombies. kcr Sep 2013 #32

Piffle because it's a bogus, unproven (debunked?) claim. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #35

Debunked by whom? kcr Sep 2013 #36

My unnamed source debunked your unnamed source. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #39

They've had a free shot at me, every day for nigh on 50 years. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #45

You are free to exercise your choices for your life. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #46

Well, when the instrument of that choice is a deadly one kcr Sep 2013 #50

"Must issue" concealed carry has been around for several decades. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #23

Oh, so if a problem is in decline, it means we no longer have to worry about it? kcr Sep 2013 #26

Nope. If that was what I'd meant, I'd have written that. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #37

Oh, I'm sorry. kcr Sep 2013 #38

You're being absurd. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #40

Why would one assume that? kcr Sep 2013 #41

If the rationale for eliminating CCW permitting isn't that it increases violence... Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #42

Well thanks for the well wishes. kcr Sep 2013 #43

Same back at'cha! Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #44

There's nothing wrong with emotions. kcr Sep 2013 #47

There is when they inhibit the acceptance of demonstrable fact. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #48

Bull. kcr Sep 2013 #49

Please don't (grossly) misrepresent my statements. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #53

But I'm not misrepresenting your statements. kcr Sep 2013 #54

At first I thought one party must have been innocent seveneyes Sep 2013 #10

Without dispute. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #20

My guess is that being armed gave both a false sense of security Kaleva Sep 2013 #34

emotion based outcomes are never good. ileus Sep 2013 #8

Any conflict, I'm sure you'll agree. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #13

Six... sarisataka Sep 2013 #24

Folks need to be happy I don't own a gun! bigwillq Sep 2013 #33

Once again: BAN GUNS!!!! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #51

those law abiding gun owners are at it again mwrguy Sep 2013 #52