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My Pet Goat

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110. "That you chose to argue with me is hilarious"?

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 08:08 PM

Sep 2013

Wow, I feel like you think I should have gotten a written permission slip before disagreeing with you.

And the best part is the argument is moot as the guy had the credentials to carry his gun (hidden in a bag) right through security.

No, that's not my point. My point was the availability of guards with guns in the building ready to respond to the attack (the building was reasonably secured). Besides, the fact that it was an inside job buttresses my point that simply having more guns at the workplace doesn't work too well.

Why? Because it was an office building full of lawyers, engineers, contract specialists, accountants

There are high ranking commanders who work there too and lots of sensitive information.

A (usually civilian) guard just watches you swipe in.

This is why I think maybe you didn't work there. It was probably this guard who was killed responding to the attack and this is how you characterize their job.

Who the hell would want to work in a place with armed guys walking around all the time?

Yeah, I didn't say that.

That you accused me of "NRA talking point" is fucking hilarious. Never mind that that phrase is the "Nazi and Hitler" of 21st century Godwin's law. I never even mentioned anything about guns. You Godwin'd yourself right there. Your first reply was slanderous and false. And it's gotten nothing but more ludicrous since!

That's vitriolic overstatement and a very inapt comparison.

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The Navy and the FBI fucked up [View all] Marrah_G Sep 2013 OP

I fully agree gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1

+1000000 riverwalker Sep 2013 #2

Clearances are mostly about contact with foreigners and foreign governments Recursion Sep 2013 #3

They're also about criminal records.... MADem Sep 2013 #5

That's more about blackmail than the act itself Recursion Sep 2013 #6

I know a guy who got bounced for an indecent exposure charge...! MADem Sep 2013 #8

Yikes. My credit score was I think 3 but that wasn't a problem Recursion Sep 2013 #10

^^ This ^^ oldhippie Sep 2013 #54

Uh, wrong. The first thing looked at are criminal records. The prob with this shooter is that he was Nay Sep 2013 #12

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Well, your post certainly qualifies for "anger issues." Nevernose Sep 2013 #17

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Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #18

Which category would you place gay people in? Mental issues, violence or quasi criminal? jtuck004 Sep 2013 #16

Point of fact, gay 'conduct' got a person OTH discharge, gay identity got Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #34

General Discharge atreides1 Sep 2013 #58

I heard on the TV that he petitioned to upgrade that general, as one can do after six months, MADem Sep 2013 #79

Man. Is there ANY part of the status quo that you don't defend? Any part at all? Romulox Sep 2013 #39

Wow, you read that as a defense? Recursion Sep 2013 #40

You're attempting to explain away people's outrage at the system's failure. Romulox Sep 2013 #41

Interesting Recursion Sep 2013 #43

Don't think he bought his gun legally onenote Sep 2013 #4

Discharge from the Reserves? elleng Sep 2013 #7

Yes for "Misconduct Issues" DURHAM D Sep 2013 #21

Just saw this: elleng Sep 2013 #51

He did have a carry permit, didn't he? Hoyt Sep 2013 #31

Reports this am he purchased a gun in Lorton VA this past week maddezmom Sep 2013 #33

Yes, he bought the shotgun legally NickB79 Sep 2013 #99

He purchased a "legal" shotgun. If it was sawn off, he did it later. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #112

There are some serious questions sarisataka Sep 2013 #9

No the thing is he had clearance and they never took it away malaise Sep 2013 #92

Crazy hardly begins to define it nt sarisataka Sep 2013 #115

I think he is a prime example Heather MC Sep 2013 #11

BINGO! RC Sep 2013 #13

As far as we can tell there is no political motive nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #24

guns kardonb Sep 2013 #14

Once again, people do not walk armed nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #25

Wrong My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #26

Security force does not translate to all and everybody is armed nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #27

You assume I'm not familiar with Navy Yards? My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #28

Obviously you are not. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #30

+1 pintobean Sep 2013 #32

Marines guarding nearby DC facility JPZenger Sep 2013 #38

What is even funnier is that no one even said that.... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #46

Keep pintobean Sep 2013 #48

feel free to repeat NRA talking points.... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #44

Welcome to ignore list nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #52

Don't forget your ball. My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #59

Excuse me!? What NRA talking points? NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #69

I think we can safely say after a few days have past..... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #74

LOL. You couldn't be more wrong. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #75

Not a subject to laugh about really... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #80

BS pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #88

Yes....an Office Complex with Military Security My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #90

You lost several posts back, give up. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #93

The Navy Yard is the Office Surrounding the Washington Navy Yard My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #97

What you call an office, we usually call neighborhoods. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #98

You got nothing.... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #101

LOL. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #103

LOL. Still wrong. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #91

Huh? My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #100

Double Down baby! NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #105

That's a pretty thin reed you've latched onto My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #106

You missed the point so long ago. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #108

"That you chose to argue with me is hilarious"? My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #110

Heh. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #116

You consider yourself a.... My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #45

Only the people whose jobs require arms are armed. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #60

Gunman killed Police Office to Gain Entry My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #64

"shot his way into an office building" HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #68

First, this was not an active military base per se NickB79 Sep 2013 #102

What are your thoughts on how shooter was immediately confronted at WNY? My Pet Goat Sep 2013 #107

Rec. JoeyT Sep 2013 #19

If you are under the impression that the FBI does the background checks DURHAM D Sep 2013 #22

+! struggle4progress Sep 2013 #29

cARLYLE gROUP owns the contract for the US office of Personnel Management elehhhhna Sep 2013 #35

There are so many TS and Above TS given that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #23

Many people have trouble getting security clearance becauses costs employers too much money JPZenger Sep 2013 #36

My son is one of those Marrah_G Sep 2013 #42

Don't get in a twist about secret clearance Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #37

it was a private (for profit) contractor who hired him as they hire many civies, ex. military.. Sunlei Sep 2013 #47

Are "small and disadvantaged business" subcontractor employees given extra slack? FarCenter Sep 2013 #49

oh probably, no 'felony' already cuts to much slack for all contractors. Sunlei Sep 2013 #55

The private company did not give him the clearance Marrah_G Sep 2013 #50

the clearance company is probably contracted too and a lot of slackers in those desk jobs Sunlei Sep 2013 #53

I was under the impression that the FBI does the clearance checks Marrah_G Sep 2013 #57

Actually, it's the Defense Security Service ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #63

Curious Marrah_G Sep 2013 #65

No, he wasn't shocked .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #67

No. It is not the FBI - that stopped way last century. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #66

The FBI still does in-person interviews for TS/SCI clearances. n/t tammywammy Sep 2013 #83

Thankyou for the info pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #86

That's strange, as I have been involved in many TS/SCI ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #94

I've personally been interviewed for three or four times in the last four years. tammywammy Sep 2013 #95

I'm curious then about your general location .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #96

Part of this problem fredamae Sep 2013 #56

Exactly however you missed the elephant in the room which is profit motive, companies cutting snagglepuss Sep 2013 #70

I absolutely did! Thx :) fredamae Sep 2013 #71

what would it take to stop things like this? finding under 10 in over 300,000,000 people alc Sep 2013 #61

Fox defeatism. Orsino Sep 2013 #62

I think a better question is why squander political capital on mass shootings sir pball Sep 2013 #72

Because little or no political capital exists for fighting the daily shootings. Orsino Sep 2013 #73

Note that the Navy gave him an Honorable discharge. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #76

Like any form of background check- it is only as good as the data Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #77

The FBI did not issue the clearance Sienna86 Sep 2013 #78

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Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #82

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Yeah you won't get any agreement from me. gopiscrap Sep 2013 #85

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Off to ignore you go, right along with your nra talking points Marrah_G Sep 2013 #89

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The "common sense" Inquisitors have ruled: You are one of Them. Resistance is futile. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #114

The Navy and the FBI did not investigate. A Private corporation approved the security clearance. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #104

The Navy did indeed fuck up- The FBI fucked up by allowing clearance to be privatized Marrah_G Sep 2013 #111

You are right. Mine was done by the FBI (USN retired) Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #113