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In reply to the discussion: So now we're expected to have serious "debates" about whether journalists need to be approved [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)125. "Trolls" reaction to Free Flow of Information Act of 2013
Reporters Committee statement on shield bill
The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee today passed the Free Flow of Information Act of 2013.
Our statement: We are pleased to see that the Judiciary Committee passed this bill. It goes a long way toward ensuring that reporters will be protected from subpoenas for their confidential information and sources. It's not a perfect bill, but it tries to cover a broad array of reporters. While it is not as inclusive as we would like, it is not nearly as limited in that area as previous attempts at a federal shield law have been. It still is important that we work with Congress and the administration to make sure journalists' records are not scooped up in broad surveillance programs, and that Justice Department attorneys respect the rights of reporters, but today's action is a significant step in the right direction.
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http://www.rcfp.org/reporters-committee-statement-shield-bill
The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee today passed the Free Flow of Information Act of 2013.
Our statement: We are pleased to see that the Judiciary Committee passed this bill. It goes a long way toward ensuring that reporters will be protected from subpoenas for their confidential information and sources. It's not a perfect bill, but it tries to cover a broad array of reporters. While it is not as inclusive as we would like, it is not nearly as limited in that area as previous attempts at a federal shield law have been. It still is important that we work with Congress and the administration to make sure journalists' records are not scooped up in broad surveillance programs, and that Justice Department attorneys respect the rights of reporters, but today's action is a significant step in the right direction.
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http://www.rcfp.org/reporters-committee-statement-shield-bill
Senate Finally Frees the Press (Kind Of)
By Gabe Rottman
The Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday took up a federal reporter shield law for the second time this year, after getting caught up back in July over the definition of a journalist. This time around, however, the committee passed it, marking the first time a shield bill has moved since 2009, when momentum behind a very similar measure died an unfortunate death after the Wikileaks affair. Despite some flaws, it's on balance a positive step toward greater press freedom and government transparency.
The recent revelations that the Justice Department has aggressively investigated members of the news media in several high-profile leaks inquiries have breathed new life into the measure, which would add federal protections on top of the 49 states that already "shield" reporters from having to disclose their sources and work product.
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The biggest change between this bill and S. 448, which died in 2009, is who's covered by the legislation. In 2009 (prior to Wikileaks being a thing), the bill had a narrow-ish definition of journalist, skewed to the legacy media, but still possibly inclusive of professional bloggers, citizen reporters, and other new media types.
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But, the new bill, while adopting the crabbed Feinstein definition, also has a safety valve that may, depending on how it's implemented, end up being quite positive. It would allow a judge discretion to expand the scope of the act to anyone if the judge determines it "would be in the interest of justice and necessary to protect lawful and legitimate news-gathering activities."
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https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/senate-finally-frees-press-kind
By Gabe Rottman
The Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday took up a federal reporter shield law for the second time this year, after getting caught up back in July over the definition of a journalist. This time around, however, the committee passed it, marking the first time a shield bill has moved since 2009, when momentum behind a very similar measure died an unfortunate death after the Wikileaks affair. Despite some flaws, it's on balance a positive step toward greater press freedom and government transparency.
The recent revelations that the Justice Department has aggressively investigated members of the news media in several high-profile leaks inquiries have breathed new life into the measure, which would add federal protections on top of the 49 states that already "shield" reporters from having to disclose their sources and work product.
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The biggest change between this bill and S. 448, which died in 2009, is who's covered by the legislation. In 2009 (prior to Wikileaks being a thing), the bill had a narrow-ish definition of journalist, skewed to the legacy media, but still possibly inclusive of professional bloggers, citizen reporters, and other new media types.
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But, the new bill, while adopting the crabbed Feinstein definition, also has a safety valve that may, depending on how it's implemented, end up being quite positive. It would allow a judge discretion to expand the scope of the act to anyone if the judge determines it "would be in the interest of justice and necessary to protect lawful and legitimate news-gathering activities."
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https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/senate-finally-frees-press-kind
From the President: Contact your senators now!
Its time to raise the shield. Now! Congress is considering the Free Flow of Information Act a federal shield law. We need to let our U.S. senators know how important this legislation is for society. You can help! Email or call your two senators (info below), and then let us know that you did. We will update the shield map and continue to spread the word. Act now!
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http://www.spj.org/shieldlaw.asp
Its time to raise the shield. Now! Congress is considering the Free Flow of Information Act a federal shield law. We need to let our U.S. senators know how important this legislation is for society. You can help! Email or call your two senators (info below), and then let us know that you did. We will update the shield map and continue to spread the word. Act now!
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http://www.spj.org/shieldlaw.asp
By David Greene
Senate Revises Media Shield Law for the Better, But Its Still Imperfect
The Senate Judiciary Committee last week approved a new version of the proposed media shield law, forging a compromise on who should be protected from having to reveal their journalistic sources in court. The amended bill, which is now clear to go for a full vote in the Senate, avoids defining who is a journalist. Moreover, it would allow judges the discretion to apply the protection to any person who, in the interest of justice, should be considered a practicing journalist.
The bill is far from perfect, but the new compromise opens the door to non-mainstream journalists, as well as new forms of journalism that may develop in the future.
The Long and Winding Road to a Federal Reporters Privilege Statute
The Free Flow of Information Act of 2013 (S. 987) would create protection for newsgatherers who are served with subpoenas or other court orders seeking unpublished information obtained during the course of their newsgathering.
Currently, 40 states have shield laws that provide protections against subpoenas and orders issued by state courts, but there is no statutory protection against subpoenas and other orders issued by federal courts. Instead, newsgatherers have had to rely on a reporters privilege, interpreted by many federal courts as deriving from the First Amendment. Yet few courts apply it to block grand jury subpoenas, which are especially common, and the vitality of the constitutional privilege as a whole has recently been called into doubt. Indeed, a recent decision of the Fourth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals refused to apply it at all.
There is no question that a federal shield law is needed. However, as with all shield laws, the law must define which persons can claim its protections.
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/09/senate-revises-media-shield-law-better-its-still-imperfect
Senate Revises Media Shield Law for the Better, But Its Still Imperfect
The Senate Judiciary Committee last week approved a new version of the proposed media shield law, forging a compromise on who should be protected from having to reveal their journalistic sources in court. The amended bill, which is now clear to go for a full vote in the Senate, avoids defining who is a journalist. Moreover, it would allow judges the discretion to apply the protection to any person who, in the interest of justice, should be considered a practicing journalist.
The bill is far from perfect, but the new compromise opens the door to non-mainstream journalists, as well as new forms of journalism that may develop in the future.
The Long and Winding Road to a Federal Reporters Privilege Statute
The Free Flow of Information Act of 2013 (S. 987) would create protection for newsgatherers who are served with subpoenas or other court orders seeking unpublished information obtained during the course of their newsgathering.
Currently, 40 states have shield laws that provide protections against subpoenas and orders issued by state courts, but there is no statutory protection against subpoenas and other orders issued by federal courts. Instead, newsgatherers have had to rely on a reporters privilege, interpreted by many federal courts as deriving from the First Amendment. Yet few courts apply it to block grand jury subpoenas, which are especially common, and the vitality of the constitutional privilege as a whole has recently been called into doubt. Indeed, a recent decision of the Fourth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals refused to apply it at all.
There is no question that a federal shield law is needed. However, as with all shield laws, the law must define which persons can claim its protections.
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/09/senate-revises-media-shield-law-better-its-still-imperfect
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So now we're expected to have serious "debates" about whether journalists need to be approved [View all]
woo me with science
Sep 2013
OP
Unfortunately, Feinstein and Durbin have pushed a Bill that would do just that. So, we need to
leveymg
Sep 2013
#1
Unlike you, we recognize the difference between denouncing ideas and stomping on heads. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#16
Shields already exists. We denounce the limiting of the shield to a few officially recognized
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#22
The law only serves to enshrine a dying media it's place as the official stenographer...nt
Jesus Malverde
Sep 2013
#40
So, the ACLU and RCFP are fascist enablers who need to be set straight by the oracles
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#63
49 states have shield laws or court precedents and there are Supreme Court precedents.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#78
Defaming & unsubstantiated claims covered by other laws. This law covers different angle. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#96
The shield does NOT already exist. Also, posting at DU isn't fucking journalism. nt
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#106
49 states have shield laws or court precedents and there are Supreme Court precedents. Fucking aside
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#113
Not when the vast majority of the journalists protected by said "shield law" are owned by
Uncle Joe
Sep 2013
#105
1) Free speech & press is a right, not a privilege. 2) Yes, have to establish citizenship ...
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#116
Amendment 1: The right to a Free Press is restricted by restricting the definition of journalist.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#129
By being an operative of a mega-media corporation. Duh. Read the bill. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#133
We're not talking about practicing medicine or even law. In the Information Age this a direct
Uncle Joe
Sep 2013
#117
I misspoke we have state shield laws not federal but this bill as written doesn't
Uncle Joe
Sep 2013
#139
I've been trying. I've pointed out that if you're going to extend to journalists
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#37
No, that is not the logical conclusion and you know it. When you make a logical fallacy
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#79
But of course, you don't address the examples or work through the details. So be it. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#80
No, not the standard at all. Not what the law is about. That's not what it shields.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#86
Exactly, but not wrong. The law does not cover the article and it is not a free pass.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#90
So, if the Steubenville guys had said "this is like journalism and everything dudes, so
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#99
Strawman argument. It does not apply for reasons I've already given. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#100
You pose wanting a "thoughtful discussion" and this is the best you can come up with. We see. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#82
Yep, I understand the constitution, whereas you imagine it to be something it is not nt
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#53
Then you surely have read the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. But I thought you disapproved
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#110
Until it is amended, it is the law, whether it "works" or not in your opinion.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#121
The alternative is that they don't sue because they have no right to sue and are forced
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#123
None of which appears in the three paragraphs of my post and is not applicable to this subthread. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#130
But if a journalist is 'anyone who says they're one', then you are trying to shut up journalists
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2013
#147
They can claim to be telling the truth, like our Corporate Owned media who claimed as they
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#120
They were TERRORISTS! Fat King George said so himself, and now we have the exact same type
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#136
No, because that's not being proposed by anyone. Anyone who thinks that's the issue
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#12
It's the thin edge of the wedge and it is a kind of defacto licensing.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#23
Do you realize that just about every state has some kind of law that's very
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#48
Yes, that's the point. The federal law is more restrictive than states laws. And it is Federal.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#62
Federal law is broader, since it includes not only those categories but also
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#64
Strawman target. I didn't call them fascists. I didn't call supporters of the bill fascist.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#71
Of course "journalists" support the new law. It recognizes them but not their competitors!
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#67
Great. Now bloggers and "semi-official" journalists would have to pay to sue for protection.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#34
I responded to the original version of your post, before you edited it so substantially. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#35
I'm tired of the debates. I'm tired of the compromise. It is time to fight for liberal values.
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2013
#18
Well, should we be surprised? We have been having 'serious' discussions on what is the
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#19
The OP is a lie. What's being debated is a shield law to protect journalists.
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#20
Thank you. This is a good start. I havent made up my mind on this and am willing to
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#36
You just cant be decent can you? I was serious, but I find that those that have a weak argument
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#39
Apologies, wasn't meant as a slight to you. Was serious--you are being reasonable.
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#46
Is opednews.com an approved organization? Are Simpson and March paid a salary?
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#69
Fascist ACLU: FFIA "on balance a positive step toward greater press freedom and government
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#60
The Feinstein amendment got incorporated into the bill the ACLU is endorsing there.
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#75
Your failure to address the issue is unconvincing (opposition of ACLU to Feinstein clause). nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#94
The ACLU supports the version that passed committee. They didn't like Feinstein's efforts nt
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#98
Are you this fast and loose with facts in your presumed law practice?
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2013
#144
Dunno about "more", but see the straw men & deliberate misrepresentations tragedy uses upthread. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#95
If a newspaper says "vote for Candidate X over Candidate Y" that is an endorsement.
geek tragedy
Sep 2013
#109
Again, your fallacy that this bill & status quo are the only two alternatives.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#135
ACLU saying "modify the bill before passing it". Specifically object to the journalist definition.nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#124
Right, but the existence of a law passed out of committee kind of forces our hands. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#101
1) ACLU support part only. 2) Reporters like guild protection against competitors.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#138
"it"? What scales up? Your post is so terse it is not pithy but is obscure. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#166