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bhikkhu

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57. It is true that NAFTA provides the forum for them to sue

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:00 PM

Sep 2013

but, lacking the forum, their drilling rights could have been expropriated anyway, and it would have been dealt with through the WTO, or one way or another in back-room state department deals.

The Lone Pine Company should be prevented from fracking operations if the local government decides so, but there also has to be some legal process to determine if compensation is justified. Its not the fault of NAFTA that they can sue over it, and it won't be the fault of NAFTA if a court decides they have a case; that's just the way it is supposed to work.

Corporations shouldn't be able to trample on the rights of people or the authority of governments without recourse, and governments shouldn't be able to trample on the rights of people or the properties of corporations without recourse.

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Why I am so obsessed with the TPP. I think it's the most important issue of the day [View all] cali Sep 2013 OP

Kicked. Thank you. djean111 Sep 2013 #1

I Quite Agree, Ma'am: These Things Are Detestable And Disasterous The Magistrate Sep 2013 #2

Disastrous for the environment and for people....and it will increase global warming. PDJane Sep 2013 #3

Found a website dedicated to fighting the TPP dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #4

thanks. I'll check it out. I have several more cali Sep 2013 #5

This seems to be a very approp. post dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #6

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Stay on it cali obxhead Sep 2013 #8

Thank you Cali for keeping this front and center. zeemike Sep 2013 #9

Please keep up JEB Sep 2013 #10

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So, who did you vote for? Who do you support? cyberswede Sep 2013 #13

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Well, since this is a site for Democrats, I think it's a reasonalbe question. cyberswede Sep 2013 #18

i'm not a democrat.. frylock Sep 2013 #19

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Yes we do. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #21

I am against anything that increases corporate power, and this will LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #12

Agreed. The apologists who claim not to have seen the proof need to take a long look in the mirror Vincardog Sep 2013 #14

kick. rec. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #15

I'm listening to a lecture about the TPP right now. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #16

Could the Mexican/Canadian subsidy sue a United States government (state or local) el_bryanto Sep 2013 #22

What do you mean by subsidy? do you mean investor under the cali Sep 2013 #24

Sorry not clear - A US corporation with subsidies in Mexico or Canada el_bryanto Sep 2013 #28

yes, it does work the other way around cali Sep 2013 #31

K and R panader0 Sep 2013 #25

i agree - this is super top important Locrian Sep 2013 #26

It is a monstrous assault against working Americans. jsr Sep 2013 #30

The "monstrous assault against working Americans" began under Reagan, bvar22 Sep 2013 #40

I think it started... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #41

Trading with China is not the problem. bvar22 Sep 2013 #46

True, but we have "free" trade... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #60

K & R AzDar Sep 2013 #33

Your concern is well placed, and I share it. 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #35

K&R. And the TPP will be the worst yet. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #36

It's hard to pick which threat is the biggest anymore and I was never good at merrily Sep 2013 #37

Yes, by now we all know the ones who decide what's important on neo-DU. great white snark Sep 2013 #38

So what's your view on the TPP? Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #53

K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #39

Great post, Cali awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #42

thank you so much. and thanks for the kick cali Sep 2013 #43

You got a rec, too... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #59

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #44

Well, this, and assaults on journalism, and the surveillance state... woo me with science Sep 2013 #45

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Thank you. This IS the most important issue of the day. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #48

It is certainly one of the most important issues of the day. LWolf Sep 2013 #49

K&R. thanks, cali. Keep exposing it. nt antigop Sep 2013 #50

How can it be stopped, even theoretically? pffshht Sep 2013 #51

I think it can be stopped. in order to do so the congress has to fail to pass cali Sep 2013 #52

It is one of the big questions. And it's not about free trade. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #54

Thanks Cali, for your energized attention and advocacy. K&R johnnyreb Sep 2013 #55

thank you so much cali Sep 2013 #56

It is true that NAFTA provides the forum for them to sue bhikkhu Sep 2013 #57

It really takes a Democrat to sell us out. alarimer Sep 2013 #58