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ProSense

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126. Well,
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:04 PM
Sep 2013

"I think I have a far better argument than you do and like I said, if you want to ride this horse over a cliff, I won't stand in the way of you getting a saddle."

...of course you do. I'm sure those arguing to kill the bill believe thay have a "far better argument" that these groups.

Reporters Committee statement on shield bill

The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee today passed the Free Flow of Information Act of 2013.

Our statement: We are pleased to see that the Judiciary Committee passed this bill. It goes a long way toward ensuring that reporters will be protected from subpoenas for their confidential information and sources. It's not a perfect bill, but it tries to cover a broad array of reporters. While it is not as inclusive as we would like, it is not nearly as limited in that area as previous attempts at a federal shield law have been. It still is important that we work with Congress and the administration to make sure journalists' records are not scooped up in broad surveillance programs, and that Justice Department attorneys respect the rights of reporters, but today's action is a significant step in the right direction.

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http://www.rcfp.org/reporters-committee-statement-shield-bill


Senate Finally Frees the Press (Kind Of)

By Gabe Rottman

The Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday took up a federal reporter shield law for the second time this year, after getting caught up back in July over the definition of a journalist. This time around, however, the committee passed it, marking the first time a shield bill has moved since 2009, when momentum behind a very similar measure died an unfortunate death after the Wikileaks affair. Despite some flaws, it's on balance a positive step toward greater press freedom and government transparency.

The recent revelations that the Justice Department has aggressively investigated members of the news media in several high-profile leaks inquiries have breathed new life into the measure, which would add federal protections on top of the 49 states that already "shield" reporters from having to disclose their sources and work product.

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The biggest change between this bill and S. 448, which died in 2009, is who's covered by the legislation. In 2009 (prior to Wikileaks being a thing), the bill had a narrow-ish definition of journalist, skewed to the legacy media, but still possibly inclusive of professional bloggers, citizen reporters, and other new media types.

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But, the new bill, while adopting the crabbed Feinstein definition, also has a safety valve that may, depending on how it's implemented, end up being quite positive. It would allow a judge discretion to expand the scope of the act to anyone if the judge determines it "would be in the interest of justice and necessary to protect lawful and legitimate news-gathering activities."

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https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/senate-finally-frees-press-kind


From the President: Contact your senators now!

It’s time to raise the shield. Now! Congress is considering the Free Flow of Information Act — a federal shield law. We need to let our U.S. senators know how important this legislation is for society. You can help! Email or call your two senators (info below), and then let us know that you did. We will update the shield map and continue to spread the word. Act now!

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http://www.spj.org/shieldlaw.asp


Updated to add:

By David Greene

Senate Revises Media Shield Law for the Better, But It’s Still Imperfect

The Senate Judiciary Committee last week approved a new version of the proposed media shield law, forging a compromise on who should be protected from having to reveal their journalistic sources in court. The amended bill, which is now clear to go for a full vote in the Senate, avoids defining who is a “journalist.” Moreover, it would allow judges the discretion to apply the protection to any person who, in the interest of justice, should be considered a practicing journalist.

The bill is far from perfect, but the new compromise opens the door to non-mainstream journalists, as well as new forms of journalism that may develop in the future.

The Long and Winding Road to a Federal Reporters’ Privilege Statute

The Free Flow of Information Act of 2013 (S. 987) would create protection for newsgatherers who are served with subpoenas or other court orders seeking unpublished information obtained during the course of their newsgathering.

Currently, 40 states have shield laws that provide protections against subpoenas and orders issued by state courts, but there is no statutory protection against subpoenas and other orders issued by federal courts. Instead, newsgatherers have had to rely on a “reporters privilege,” interpreted by many federal courts as deriving from the First Amendment. Yet few courts apply it to block grand jury subpoenas, which are especially common, and the vitality of the constitutional privilege as a whole has recently been called into doubt. Indeed, a recent decision of the Fourth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals refused to apply it at all.

There is no question that a federal shield law is needed. However, as with all shield laws, the law must define which persons can claim its protections.

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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/09/senate-revises-media-shield-law-better-its-still-imperfect

Fact: No protection means no protection for anyone, and we all have free speech protection with or without the shield law.




Was Jeff Gannon a journalist? [View all] ProSense Sep 2013 OP
no he was an asshat gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1
Gannon was an embodiment of Republicon Family Values Berlum Sep 2013 #16
I remember that dude. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #2
Takes me back to a simpler time on D/U. sarcasmo Sep 2013 #3
ain't that the truth... madrchsod Sep 2013 #143
I sense this is a loaded question, and you're going to ask the No voters "well then, what about..." Electric Monk Sep 2013 #4
He looks like a journalist edbermac Sep 2013 #5
Just because he was issued one-day press passes for nearly two years Brother Buzz Sep 2013 #6
He had a column in the Blade Recursion Sep 2013 #7
Just goes to show anyone can call themselves a journalist. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #8
He was a tool, but he most assuredly had White House press credentials. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #9
Yes.... Iggo Sep 2013 #10
He was servicing Rove. xfundy Sep 2013 #11
I always thought that libodem Sep 2013 #32
Nah, my money's on Dubya,with his bald head fetish Lars39 Sep 2013 #146
tou·ché - . (in fencing) used as an acknowledgment of a hit by one's opponent. Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #12
I don't know yet, Feinstein hasn't replied to my email. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #13
definitely not reddread Sep 2013 #14
Excellent point! randome Sep 2013 #15
He was a GOP plant... Octafish Sep 2013 #17
I think it was determined he was a call boy madokie Sep 2013 #18
Well, obviously he can't be a journalist if we don't approve of him politically. DUH! Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #19
Huh? How do 'human and legal considerations' come into this? randome Sep 2013 #28
A press pass is not a device for consitutional blessing. It's for WH security. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #31
What would the sheild law do to change Gannon's status, declared by the WH as it was? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #20
Thank you. What an incredibly slimy and manipulative OP. woo me with science Sep 2013 #22
"Whatever anyone's opinion of Gannon" What's your opinion? ProSense Sep 2013 #25
No less so than Chuck Todd but then again Todd gets paid so I guess that makes all the difference? Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #40
I agree. Slimy, manipulative, and downright creepy. A new low. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #136
You comment is bizarre. ProSense Sep 2013 #137
"Slimy" Puglover Sep 2013 #36
As usual. /nt Marr Sep 2013 #43
Exactly. That is why allowing government to define journalist is bullshit. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #23
Is Kos a journalist? ProSense Sep 2013 #24
Yep, I was right. Nailed it with post #4, above. Probably thought you were so cute, didn't you? nt Electric Monk Sep 2013 #51
My first and primary question was 'what's this got to do with the sheild law' and you did your Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #128
No. The fact that he was paid to portray one doesn't make him any more of a journalist Tanuki Sep 2013 #21
yes Enrique Sep 2013 #26
He was a sleepover@White House shaved hardbody GOP blogger with terrible taste in men leveymg Sep 2013 #27
Misanthropic Sycophant Monster orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #30
You should take a shower and get a blood test if you got close enough to know that about Jimmy Jeff leveymg Sep 2013 #39
Is he a freind to Kkkarl ? He's an enemy to all !!!! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #72
Torquemada's toy boy, Kkkarls kid, new repugadet . * . * orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #29
At times he appeared to be a propagandist, but he worked in the field of journalism Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #33
The bill, ProSense Sep 2013 #35
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #34
Clearly, ProSense Sep 2013 #37
all the same thing, press/people/assembly/petitioning/religious freedom reddread Sep 2013 #38
We should keep the name and the story alive. Jeff Gannon - GOP's favorite male prostitute. JEFF9K Sep 2013 #41
I googled him PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #42
Yes. He was a crappy journalist, but he was a journalist. Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #44
The bill ProSense Sep 2013 #46
In today's world I think anyone can be the press. Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #48
"the first amendment was written in a very broad manner" ProSense Sep 2013 #49
I think Spandan is a shitty blogger who should be rejected by all sane people Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #52
Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #54
I generally prefer to call him a douchebag Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #60
So any blogger is "the press" in your opinion? DJ13 Sep 2013 #55
So I'm "the press"? ProSense Sep 2013 #58
Yes. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #62
You can be, yes DJ13 Sep 2013 #63
So ProSense Sep 2013 #66
Look up the term advocacy journalism. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #68
I know what it is. Are you saying that a person pushing propaganda is a journalist? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #70
No. Propaganda and advocacy journalism are not the same thing. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #78
Actually, I'd say that both you and Gannon would be more accurately described as propagandists Electric Monk Sep 2013 #71
So ProSense Sep 2013 #73
If they're analyzing or reporting on current events or things in the public interest, yes. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #59
Wait, ProSense Sep 2013 #64
That would be shitty tabloid journalism, but SCOTUS has repeatedly defended even that NuclearDem Sep 2013 #65
Freedom of speech, ProSense Sep 2013 #69
In the first great press case in the US. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #75
What does that have to do with Orly Taitz specifically? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #81
So you just asked what a case that defended a tabloid publisher of nonsense NuclearDem Sep 2013 #83
No, I asked: ProSense Sep 2013 #89
Yes. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #45
What exactly ProSense Sep 2013 #47
He covered the White House, got press credentials, was published, and had a readership. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #50
Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #53
"Better 100 guilty men go free than 1 be imprisoned." WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #57
I suppose that's ProSense Sep 2013 #61
If what they are putting into writing is meant to inform, yes. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #67
Gannon's GOPUSA propaganda disguised as news was "meant to inform"? ProSense Sep 2013 #74
What kind of "jounalist" do you think a government would authorize? DJ13 Sep 2013 #76
"Who determines what is 'meant to inform'? WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #80
Thanks for posting that, but ProSense Sep 2013 #82
I already addressed that. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #87
Yes or no ProSense Sep 2013 #90
Yes. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #102
So intentional distortions and propaganda are journalism? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #104
We're talking in circles, Pro. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #105
I don't buy that. ProSense Sep 2013 #107
So for the sake of thwarting one already-discredited fraud, WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #109
No, you don't appear to know what's in the bill or its purpose. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #145
When he wasn't pimping himself out for sexual service he wrote for a right wing rag notadmblnd Sep 2013 #56
Yes but a very poor one. nt Live and Learn Sep 2013 #77
IT DOES NOT MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #79
"his right to speech takes precedence over a journalist's" ProSense Sep 2013 #85
Why does it matter? Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #86
I stated why, and ProSense Sep 2013 #93
Well, you'll have to restate it, Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #95
He is protected by the 1st Amendment, from government interference sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #84
Again ProSense Sep 2013 #91
Once again, why does it matter? Answer that question. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #92
You got your answer above and in this comment. Now address the point. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #94
There is no point at all, Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #96
The Constitution is clear on this. You are so wrong on this issue it boggles sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #97
No, and your opinion is ProSense Sep 2013 #99
The 'press'. Where do you think the word came from? Was Ben Franklin sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #134
What? ProSense Sep 2013 #135
??? Let me ask YOU that question: sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #147
"you can say anything, put it in writing, but it doesn't mean you're a journalist or the press." Chan790 Sep 2013 #120
How about ProSense Sep 2013 #133
.... SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #88
Is John Stewart? Stephen Colbert? Glen Greenwald? Matt Taibbi? Greg Palast? SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #98
when CNN was propagandizing to push the invasion of Iraq or the impeachment of Clinton, were they Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #100
He was a useful idiot, paid to try to dictate the news Warpy Sep 2013 #101
I find the tendency toward authoritarianism by the majority of poll respondents here very disturbing Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #103
Actually, ProSense Sep 2013 #106
for all practical purposes it does - it define who is protected under shield laws and who is not Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #110
How did the 1st Amendment ever survive 224 years without defining journalist (or press)? Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #108
"Currently, 40 states have shield laws..." ProSense Sep 2013 #111
Thanks for the link. Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #132
Yes..a pukey yes but a yes. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #112
Jeff Gannon is a State farm agent in Mt. Juliet, TN OmahaBlueDog Sep 2013 #113
Are you? Aerows Sep 2013 #114
No, that's not what I'm "saying" ProSense Sep 2013 #115
But that is what you are endorsing Aerows Sep 2013 #116
No, it isn't. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #117
Yes, it is Aerows Sep 2013 #118
No, and ProSense Sep 2013 #119
Prosense, you aren't going to win this one Aerows Sep 2013 #121
You don't know what you're talking about ProSense Sep 2013 #124
I think I have a far better argument than you do Aerows Sep 2013 #125
Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #126
Good luck on this one Aerows Sep 2013 #127
Not a problem ProSense Sep 2013 #129
I don't support a law Aerows Sep 2013 #131
Wasn't He W's Man-Date? Wolf Frankula Sep 2013 #122
Yes he was. dawg Sep 2013 #123
He's every bit as much a journalist as Britt Hume and Chuck Todd..... Rowdyboy Sep 2013 #130
Dang! Caretha Sep 2013 #138
"You left an option out" ProSense Sep 2013 #139
That's Caretha Sep 2013 #140
At least you agree it was "stupid." ProSense Sep 2013 #141
Yes I do Caretha Sep 2013 #142
Like I said, stop projecting. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #144
What's the point here? JG could have been a journo AND a male prostitute for a WH resident. WinkyDink Sep 2013 #148
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