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89. I'm a Pepper. Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too?

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I AM A JOURNALIST. SO ARE YOU. [View all] WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP

+1, K&R nt Zorra Sep 2013 #1

Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #2

i stole this from you questionseverything Sep 2013 #92

Thanks. woo me with science Sep 2013 #100

Nonsense. Robb Sep 2013 #3

The right is universal. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #4

That's the point. WE ARE ALL PLUMBERS. Robb Sep 2013 #9

I agree with the way Will put it. "freedom of the press" DirkGently Sep 2013 #110

Speech. Journalism is a form of speech. Robb Sep 2013 #123

So you'd nullify the meaning of "freedom of the press?" DirkGently Sep 2013 #124

They were acknowledging its emerging importance. Robb Sep 2013 #130

Not all forms of speech are equally protected. DirkGently Sep 2013 #131

You're interpreting what we "set out to make" Robb Sep 2013 #132

I'm interpreting specific Constitutional language to be intentional. DirkGently Sep 2013 #136

So the oppressed people in Iran or Syria or North Korea who film things with their phones and liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #12

Plus a googleplex, squared Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #32

The issue is not semantic. sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #46

Are "paid shills" journalists"? Is this person ProSense Sep 2013 #5

+++ Whisp Sep 2013 #10

I agree with this view. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #16

Isn't that the point of a legislature? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #28

Extortion racket PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #30

Apply a shield law to everyone, and the ability to investigate crimes is limited muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #31

It means purchasing your get out of jail free card, ie shield law. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #33

I don't consider Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #102

Look at this Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #41

When you post on the internet, you are publishing your thoughts, your message. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #54

Nonsense. ProSense Sep 2013 #55

Nonsense? Enthusiast Sep 2013 #58

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #75

That used to be the case. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #79

You won't find a bigger shill than ProSense. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #76

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #78

"You do nothing but personal attacks." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #80

Like I said, some people are not journalists, just assholes. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #81

I chortled. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #82

Being called an asshole by PS is a compliment mindwalker_i Sep 2013 #138

I'm an asshole! And a journalist:) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #98

Depends. A lot of bloggers are journalists. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #65

Precisely. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #93

Yes, they are a journaliist, but that doesn't mean they are a reporter. I think a better shield ... Exilednight Sep 2013 #72

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #73

Is this post covered? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #74

Of course. This has been adjudicated by the court. Fox News grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #96

+1 nt MADem Sep 2013 #135

To me the DiFi bill is the first step towards registration of journalists Taverner Sep 2013 #6

That's exactly what it is. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #18

Feinstein thinks we exist to SERVE HER 2banon Sep 2013 #56

I agree. Not a big leap? Fuck, dude, it's already here. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #61

That's exactly what it is. And Prosense is defending it. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #59

Amen, Brother !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #7

And a damn good one! kentuck Sep 2013 #8

i'd call you a good published author and op-ed writer Will. dionysus Sep 2013 #11

I am a surgeon. PERIOD. Whisp Sep 2013 #13

You don't need special training to document facts. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #17

"If you're bad at documenting facts, you'll be rejected from the profession ProSense Sep 2013 #27

No, what people believe is that the protection is right in the Constitution sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #95

so, what is your remedy contra O'Keefe? nashville_brook Sep 2013 #111

You do need special training in documenting facts. It's a fial to believe you will be .... Exilednight Sep 2013 #77

Special training AND corporate sponsorship Vanje Sep 2013 #125

Bullshit. Many Papers are owned by ..... Exilednight Sep 2013 #148

NYT! where you read Judith Miller's "reporting" Vanje Sep 2013 #150

Yes, I know about Judith MIller. Broken record. The Times is still better than .......... Exilednight Sep 2013 #151

One story Vanje Sep 2013 #152

You can say "fuck the NYT" all you want, but the reality is that without it, the overwhelming Exilednight Sep 2013 #155

Actually Vanje Sep 2013 #156

the same Guardian that's a traditional newspaper? And the same Democracy Now whose front page is Exilednight Sep 2013 #157

Hey Vanje Sep 2013 #153

When Stephen King makes a grammar error, hundreds of thousands of people do not die of it Vanje Sep 2013 #154

Utter bullshit! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #64

''I'm a patriot defending the very foundation of America.'' Whisp Sep 2013 #91

If the 1st amendment, or any other amendment, enumerated the right to saw bones, Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #97

The 1st amendment is not about Journalism or newspapers. n/t Exilednight Sep 2013 #158

Sarcasm? Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #160

Same for doctors. Lawyers. Geologists. UFOlogists. Igel Sep 2013 #14

Just watching a program about present day media in Afghanistan. Cleita Sep 2013 #15

Indeed, Will Oilwellian Sep 2013 #19

The word "journalist" appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights. Maedhros Sep 2013 #20

Citizen Journalist madamesilverspurs Sep 2013 #21

K & R for citizen reporting BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #22

Not me my friend.. I am a commentator Peacetrain Sep 2013 #23

reporting for duty kpete Sep 2013 #24

A bill that would RESTRICT government action is being slammed as an assault on a free press. Absurd! Jim Lane Sep 2013 #25

Please refrain Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #36

K&R X 100! COLGATE4 Sep 2013 #103

You contradict yourself Oilwellian Sep 2013 #43

No contradiction. There are two different applications of the concept of being "protected". Jim Lane Sep 2013 #45

So freedom of the press is ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #48

No, no, that is precisely wrong and what I took pains to deny! Jim Lane Sep 2013 #52

Freedeom of the press and freedom of speech are not the same. This is where people Exilednight Sep 2013 #159

+1 It bothered me that people thought journalists should be above treestar Sep 2013 #85

THANK YOU for injecting a breath of sanity COLGATE4 Sep 2013 #105

Choo Choo the Outrage Train Whisp Sep 2013 #112

Good luck with facts! Democat Sep 2013 #141

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #26

Empowering as always . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #29

K & R tandot Sep 2013 #34

They want to DESTROY...."Citizen Journalism." More of the "Citizens United" ELITES KoKo Sep 2013 #35

Well, I imagine any of us would ask more questions than Chuck Todd-Blossom. calimary Sep 2013 #37

Kicketty. SalmonChantedEvening Sep 2013 #38

I get what you are saying, but... LuckyTheDog Sep 2013 #39

"The trend toward de-professionalizing my profession makes me feel under-valued and disrespected." WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #44

That's a broad brush you've got there LuckyTheDog Sep 2013 #140

kick n/t sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #40

Thank you for that Will Pitt Generic Other Sep 2013 #42

Welll said. K&R NealK Sep 2013 #47

I've been a journalist since at least 1996 Mosaic Sep 2013 #49

Here's an interesting case ProSense Sep 2013 #50

Yes Indeed! Crewleader Sep 2013 #51

Agreed. 99Forever Sep 2013 #53

Wooo hooo! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #57

I also see a creeping over reach that could happen Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #62

OK. But the real question is whether we want some shield law for journalists, and if we do -- struggle4progress Sep 2013 #60

I suspect the definition of journalism is not far off that famous one for pornography Fumesucker Sep 2013 #63

Not a shining beacon as guidance from SCOTUS struggle4progress Sep 2013 #66

These days I would definitely read it as snark Fumesucker Sep 2013 #67

Could be: his concurrence with the opinion there was a big nothing, almost content free struggle4progress Sep 2013 #68

Was Michener doing journalism when he wrote Tales of the South Pacific or The Source? Fumesucker Sep 2013 #69

Fictionalized accounts don't qualify as journalism. I have a friend, who wrote a great book struggle4progress Sep 2013 #70

I understand your point, but that's an ideological view of journalism WooWooWoo Sep 2013 #71

''If everybody is a journalist, then nobody is a journalist. And journalism ceases to exist.'' Whisp Sep 2013 #126

So the guys who filmed the Steubenville rape with their cell phones were journalists! geek tragedy Sep 2013 #83

He, the OP, believes ProSense Sep 2013 #84

Apparently, being homo sapiens is enough to be a journalist. Heck, maybe Lassie geek tragedy Sep 2013 #86

Seems more efficient, from the govt. censors position... bobduca Sep 2013 #87

I AM A CHEESE SANDWICH. SO ARE YOU. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #88

I'm a Pepper. Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too? PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #89

Ooh, I just nostalgia-d real hard on that one... n/t ElboRuum Sep 2013 #90

I'm a writer, so are you. Argue with that, LOL grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #99

Writing does not make one a writer except in the most broad... ElboRuum Sep 2013 #119

In my view, words already have meanings, we don't get to redefine them based on our own grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #127

So what you're saying is... ElboRuum Sep 2013 #137

"I dunno, when I started writing really I was like, filling out applications and stuff, grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #143

I must take issue. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #145

Black forces at work on this thread. Journalist has been defined since 1693 grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #94

This. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #101

Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #104

Being a journalist does not protect you from laws against fraud. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #107

But it's supposed to protect you from illegally possessing classified documents? n/t sweetloukillbot Sep 2013 #114

Precisely. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #116

Tinker, on the other hand, requires some tough credentialing. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2013 #106

You don't have to be talented, you don't have to be paid,... gulliver Sep 2013 #108

Indeed! bvar22 Sep 2013 #109

Indeed not! Jim Lane Sep 2013 #113

Nice hedge, bvar22 Sep 2013 #117

The bill has been revised to meet your objection. Jim Lane Sep 2013 #121

Good link. Thanks Vanje Sep 2013 #128

You have to have some definition of who is covered by the law, though, lest you make a law that msanthrope Sep 2013 #147

Who decides if you're a "covered person"? Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #118

The bill includes a definition. Yes, it's interpreted and applied by a judge, subject to appeal. Jim Lane Sep 2013 #120

You make some good points. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #134

Technically true, but are you a GOOD journalist? jazzimov Sep 2013 #115

The current bill does not define "journalist" Jim Lane Sep 2013 #122

We're All Journalists Now: The Transformation of the Press and Reshaping of the Law in the Internet Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author leveymg Sep 2013 #133

We're all doctors, too. And attorneys! DevonRex Sep 2013 #139

I AM A DOCTOR AND SO ARE YOU! FSogol Sep 2013 #142

By FSM, you're right! KamaAina Sep 2013 #144

Um, no Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #146

The problem is that *actual* journalists are becoming an endangered species in the news media... YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #149