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LostOne4Ever

(9,755 posts)
54. Please don't misunderstand me
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:54 PM
Sep 2013

I am not saying the value of their characters are the same, but that I feel the value of lives are the same. These are not the same thing to me and that is not what I am trying to arguing.

That said, valuing the lives of one's own family over others has allowed people to ruin the lives of complete strangers for their families comfort. Fear that something might jeopardize the lifestyle of one's family can and probably has convinced many people to support unjust wars.

I love my family dearly, but as a person of conscience I can not say that their lives are more valuable than someone I don't know. What if the family I just doomed to death was one that spent every waking moment helping others? Caring for the disabled and poor?

Even the life of that terrorist, what if he repented and went on to lead to the end of Al Queda and saved thousands upon thousands? What if that 5 year old would have gone on to be a serial killer? While the 90 year old would have inspired one of his/her grandchildren to become a scientist who cures cancer? Odds are that the child would help more people, but we don't know. Also, I think that one must also consider the people who the 90 year old has influenced over their long life and who care about him/her

Above you said you value the lives of your family more than strangers. What if the 90 year old was a direct family member you loved deeply? A mother or grandfather or sibling. Would you still value the 5 year old more? Or would you now value the 90 year old more? Seems like the answer could easily change depending on the who and when.

I don't know the future, and I am not saying that one should not be responsible for their actions. But I do know that many people have been unjustly murdered because someone did not value the life of others. As I said in my previous post, I believe that once someone is dead that is that. You will never see them again. Because of that the life of all people is very very precious to me. That is part of the reason I oppose the death penalty and feel war should be a very last resort.

I am sorry you find my views offensive. I know you and Nuclear Unicorn are very intelligent posters and are trying to show the error in my type of thinking and are offended by the thought that I am saying a criminal should be considered equal to doctor. I hear what you are saying, but respectfully disagree. I am not saying their characters are equal, just that the value of them being living entities is equal. I also feel that once society says one life if more valuable than another it put in place the circumstances needed to commit horrible horrible tragedies and I reject that.

Again, my apologies for offending you.

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Of course not LittleBlue Sep 2013 #1
Check out the Gungeon Taverner Sep 2013 #2
They have a lot of delusional thoughts etherealtruth Sep 2013 #17
I don't like reading the gungeon because it rots your brains, and I need whatever bain cells hrmjustin Sep 2013 #26
Indeed .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #33
Your welcome. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #34
not many Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #63
Are you saying I have not many brain cells. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #64
I guess I'm confused ... Bake Sep 2013 #27
You need to start coughing up some links. nt rrneck Sep 2013 #62
Yes. Igel Sep 2013 #3
I think you hit the nail on the head treestar Sep 2013 #51
As I told you in the other thread you started, furious Sep 2013 #4
I think your life is worth more than a murderous scumbag like Richard Ramirez, so my answer is yes. Throd Sep 2013 #5
I'd say the answer is obviously yes. Dr. Strange Sep 2013 #6
To protect ourselves and the general public. furious Sep 2013 #7
Its not that simple... Whiskeytide Sep 2013 #8
precisely. I really have contempt for this kind of sophomoric garbage. cali Sep 2013 #47
The life of a child rapist is certainly worth less WonderGrunion Sep 2013 #9
I disagree Taverner Sep 2013 #10
So the rapist gets to rape and then get psych help. The child gets to be raped and then get money uppityperson Sep 2013 #14
Simple truths can be elusive for some. pintobean Sep 2013 #20
Oh I didn't say there wouldn't be punitive damages Taverner Sep 2013 #21
I am confused. "any one of us has the right to stop it, but not by lethal means" and the raped child uppityperson Sep 2013 #36
Is raping a child worth death? Taverner Sep 2013 #37
And if killing someone is the only way to stop someone from raping a child? uppityperson Sep 2013 #38
By any means. Also, no one is required to assign greater worth to an assailant's life than their own TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #18
That is my nonviolent stance Taverner Sep 2013 #19
Gandhi endorses non-violent means to stop attacks. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #31
You just decided blueridge3210 Sep 2013 #32
absolute fucking sickening garbage. cali Sep 2013 #48
I like to think that ... surrealAmerican Sep 2013 #11
That is your personal choice Taverner Sep 2013 #22
Worth is a subjective term The2ndWheel Sep 2013 #12
Yes -- juries and judges make determinations of amounts to compensate survivors. FarCenter Sep 2013 #13
Depends on how you define 'worth' it is a little subjective (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2013 #15
I agree with you LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #16
+100 Taverner Sep 2013 #28
Fucking ridiculous- unless you're talking on some metaphysical level cali Sep 2013 #45
Please don't misunderstand me LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #54
What would it be worth to Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #46
It would be worth the world to save even one of them LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #49
"had the people who did this believed as I do, would this have happened?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #55
In other words LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #56
That's a tautological statement. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #57
Yes its tautological LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #58
The OP asks, "Are some lives worth more than others." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #59
yes? BOG PERSON Sep 2013 #23
I suppose from a purely practical standpoint, some might be. PlanetaryOrbit Sep 2013 #24
lives themselves, no - same worth. What the lives represent, on the other hand... yawnmaster Sep 2013 #25
Yes .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #29
That question is best asked of a violent attacker. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #30
When the chips are down, yes, and there is nothing unegalitarian about making the choice. Yo_Mama Sep 2013 #35
Absolutely, you take someone like that Castro guy that held those women and rl6214 Sep 2013 #39
Of course. My life and the lives of those I care for personally... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #40
Yes and I don't like it but it is just reality in America and the world today. FUMCSDLCBDPOS Sep 2013 #41
that's actually not a simple question. At fucking all. cali Sep 2013 #42
Let us know Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #43
We all decide the value of individual lives... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #44
No. What makes you think it had to be asked? nt rrneck Sep 2013 #50
his post #2 in this thread and all is revealed ... Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #61
Are some lives worth more than others? People and Animals Yes. Cockroaches Yes but with exceptions BlueJazz Sep 2013 #52
Of course your life is worth more than other lives. That's built in to us. dkf Sep 2013 #53
Maybe "All men are created equal," but what they do afterwards is a factor in your query. WinkyDink Sep 2013 #60
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