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In reply to the discussion: Aha – That’s Why They Were So Desperate to Get Us Into Syria [View all]RC
(25,592 posts)84. But there is a difference between parties.
The Democratic party is not as far Right as the Republican party. But both parties are far to the Right of where the Republicans were 40 years ago.
Everything we do or try to do in the Middle East is tied together.
The Iraq war ends with a sovereign Iraq kicking US out
So the Iraq war ends. What began as a mad dash to Baghdad without much worry about what came next, complete with an infamous May 1, 2003, "Mission Accomplished" moment ("In the battle of Iraq, the US and our allies have prevailed" President Bush said from the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln then) quickly cratered into an insurgency and civil war that claimed at least 100,000 Iraqi lives and 4,500 American ones.
Now it's over, and it's time for a thousand retrospectives to bloom. US politicians and the pundits that serve them have been trying to frame the Iraq war in terms of whether Bush won Iraq, or Obama lost it, or vice versa. They're almost all of them wrong. The claim that President Obama met a campaign promise today is technically true but only because Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki forced him to. Obama was seeking to keep troops in Iraq, perhaps as many as 15,000 of them, beyond the Dec. 31 withdrawal date.
But the Iraqi government, led by Shiite Islamists with ties to Iran and well aware that an extension of the US occupation would be political poison for them (already dealing with public anger at rampant corruption and poor service delivery), had none of it. Mr. Maliki told Obama he could have his troops in the country if they were subject to Iraqi law, something he and everyone else knew was a deal-breaker.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1215/The-Iraq-war-ends-with-a-sovereign-Iraq-kicking-US-out
So the Iraq war ends. What began as a mad dash to Baghdad without much worry about what came next, complete with an infamous May 1, 2003, "Mission Accomplished" moment ("In the battle of Iraq, the US and our allies have prevailed" President Bush said from the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln then) quickly cratered into an insurgency and civil war that claimed at least 100,000 Iraqi lives and 4,500 American ones.
Now it's over, and it's time for a thousand retrospectives to bloom. US politicians and the pundits that serve them have been trying to frame the Iraq war in terms of whether Bush won Iraq, or Obama lost it, or vice versa. They're almost all of them wrong. The claim that President Obama met a campaign promise today is technically true but only because Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki forced him to. Obama was seeking to keep troops in Iraq, perhaps as many as 15,000 of them, beyond the Dec. 31 withdrawal date.
But the Iraqi government, led by Shiite Islamists with ties to Iran and well aware that an extension of the US occupation would be political poison for them (already dealing with public anger at rampant corruption and poor service delivery), had none of it. Mr. Maliki told Obama he could have his troops in the country if they were subject to Iraqi law, something he and everyone else knew was a deal-breaker.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1215/The-Iraq-war-ends-with-a-sovereign-Iraq-kicking-US-out
And here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/23/1029293/-Getting-kicked-out-of-Iraq-credit-where-it-is-really-due
I'll defend Obama too, when he does something worth defending, without having to spin it first.
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Bill Maher's right - the U.S. has become the George Zimmermann of international affairs.
backscatter712
Sep 2013
#1
The Zimmermann analogy is off because Zimmerman didn't get campaign contributions, jobs for
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#49
Not a penny in CAMPAIGN contributions. Campaign contributions are given to office seekers who ARE
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#77
When it come to Bush/Cheney and warmongers in general, any analogy should have the disclaimer:
yurbud
Sep 2013
#68
They are lost and as outdated as their fear-clutched "binkies" are getting taken away.
libdem4life
Sep 2013
#2
Did anyone else watch the Charlie Rose int'w w/Ehud Barak? Wants Obama to bomb Iran without
leveymg
Sep 2013
#3
Yes , and the very ideas are insane and if implemented, would be criminal, literally. n/t
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#7
missed it. but reading your summation, seems soooo like him to have these war mongers on the air.
2banon
Sep 2013
#86
Same crowd that brought us Iraq and Afghanistan. Truth be known, probably 9/11 as well.
summerschild
Sep 2013
#9
It seems to be his new mantra. Not sure why he keeps repeating it, or if he knows why either.
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2013
#18
I have constantly repeated this point over the last months. Thanks for this thread!
Democracyinkind
Sep 2013
#31
well that was part of it IMO however it was also supposed to be a show of strength
azurnoir
Sep 2013
#48
The Supreme Leader in Iran came out with a Fatwa (religious) decree against Iran developing
Uncle Joe
Sep 2013
#70
I feel that President Obama should be considered the best US President ever
SaveAmerica
Sep 2013
#89