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nadinbrzezinski

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104. It's not statistics

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:26 PM

Sep 2013

It's the winner take all system enshrined in the Constitution. When we have more or less stable times it works well. It has failed when we get lack of cooperation between the two parties. It depends on compromise. Once it failed spectacularly, to the point that it led to a shooting civil war. It also led to the death of a hyper Conservative party and the rise of republicans, who were rather progressive. Yes the party of Lincoln was progressive.

Why Mill looked at that and decided it needed to be improved. Mind you, his system of proportional representation has been improved upon, but the US adopting that system would be a huge improvement. It would short circuit some of the dysfunction we currently suffer. If this system fails in an 1860 spectacular fashion again, I don't think the country will survive. I hope the successor state I live will remain a democracy, and will adopt a more modern way of electing legislators, and will remain secular.

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Time to cut the crap. Obama Derangement Syndrome doesn't really exist. [View all] last1standing Sep 2013 OP

Oh, my. No such thing as ODS. So it's really all about reverse ODS. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #1

No. I don't need to make up imaginary mental disorders to make my points. last1standing Sep 2013 #3

Pardon me, but when exactly did I call you a racist? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #4

I never said you did. I'm responding to your claim that I accused others of "reverse ODS." last1standing Sep 2013 #8

That's pretty much what you are saying in the OP. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #15

That's not setting up a new insult, it's only tearing down the original one. last1standing Sep 2013 #31

But that is how the right uses the sham accusation of "reverse racism." Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #48

Astute observation. Laelth Sep 2013 #236

Racism is implied by those who throw around Paulbot accusations Bradical79 Sep 2013 #311

The Paulbot insult wasn't mentioned in the OP. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #372

No-one called you a racist intaglio Sep 2013 #181

No thanks. I had enough of her when she was here. last1standing Sep 2013 #362

You mean one of the most respected early members of DU intaglio Sep 2013 #364

How does she feel about the TPP? Enthusiast Sep 2013 #375

Read her blog intaglio Sep 2013 #376

Oh, they can post. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #412

That says volumes about you. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #382

Why read her? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #436

Have you? intaglio Sep 2013 #439

... RetroLounge Sep 2013 #441

Do you have anything to say about the substance of this OP, such as sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #38

I don't find this OP, based as it is on horseshit, to have any substance. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #100

I find plenty of substance in this OP. It is clearly pointing out that people are sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #110

"Slamming life long Democrats with riiculous nonsense that no sane person is going to believe" Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #131

+1000 Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #266

Are you denying that many DUers have OFTEN called those critical of Obama policies racists? n/t Dawgs Sep 2013 #346

Are you denying that many DUers have OFTEN called people supporting the President center-right Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #373

I'll take your non response as confirmation of your ignorance. Dawgs Sep 2013 #413

Wow, your ability to avoid my point is circus-worthy. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #423

You answered my initial Q with a Q and you're accusing me of avoiding. Dawgs Sep 2013 #424

You asked a question for which you had no reason from my posts to ask. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #425

In the post I responded to - that's where. n/t Dawgs Sep 2013 #426

This is simply false. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #427

I've never seen the racist accusation creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #394

It was all over the place during the initial stages of the Snowden narrative. sibelian Sep 2013 #418

Yup, unnecessary caps makes you right intaglio Sep 2013 #182

This might be the best post EVER. LaydeeBug Sep 2013 #249

+1 L0oniX Sep 2013 #277

Thanks for trying Hydra Sep 2013 #288

Very well stated Sabrina 1. +1000 nt GoneFishin Sep 2013 #305

"Even Republicans don't have Obama Derangement Syndrome" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #338

You know every Republican in the country?? I know Republicans who VOTED sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #341

The vast majority hate him ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #342

I can't admit it because there is no such fucking disease. It's made up. last1standing Sep 2013 #363

As do I.... RedFury Sep 2013 #422

Good post. I think it's become clear that people on all sides are sick of the 'black and white' sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #429

I agree to a point, but there IS a larger picture Mellow Drama Sep 2013 #411

+1,000 Scuba Sep 2013 #200

Yup grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #240

So we've invaded a few small countries huh? JoePhilly Sep 2013 #2

Are Libya and Yemen small enough for you? last1standing Sep 2013 #5

But the topic is Obama isn't it. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2013 #10

We invaded Libya and Yemen? joshcryer Sep 2013 #16

Yes. We did. last1standing Sep 2013 #25

In what bases are our occupying forces, might I ask? joshcryer Sep 2013 #30

In my opinion, drone attacks count as invasions. last1standing Sep 2013 #34

I absolutely agree that drone attacks would be illegal internationally. joshcryer Sep 2013 #40

What is the "US interest" pray tell? dkf Sep 2013 #188

Whatever states agree to allow US drone attacks. joshcryer Sep 2013 #190

We are not participants in the ICC. dkf Sep 2013 #191

We don't have to be. joshcryer Sep 2013 #399

The hypocrisy stinks. dkf Sep 2013 #404

Some Pakistani politicans want to shoot them down. joshcryer Sep 2013 #407

No we didn't Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #365

No invasion, so that is a lie intaglio Sep 2013 #185

dfk proved you wrong about this so will you apologize for calling me a liar? last1standing Sep 2013 #220

There was no invasion intaglio Sep 2013 #321

We didn't invade either of those countries ... JoePhilly Sep 2013 #216

Blind anger seems to have impaired your reading comprehension. last1standing Sep 2013 #223

So you admit ODS exists. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #225

So you admit that you misread my OP and became needlessly beligerent about it. last1standing Sep 2013 #227

Your OP claims ODS doesn't exist ... it does ... and you now admit that. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #244

Why post fabrications to win internet points? last1standing Sep 2013 #247

You claimed that we invaded countries that we did not invade, and your OP JoePhilly Sep 2013 #248

As others have pointed out, Obama has invaded countries. last1standing Sep 2013 #250

We have not invaded any other countries, unless words stop meaning what they actually JoePhilly Sep 2013 #255

Ok, we're done. last1standing Sep 2013 #257

The OP is talking about center-right policy since Reagan. Laelth Sep 2013 #260

Then why mention Obama in the first sentence of that paragraph? JoePhilly Sep 2013 #261

Evidently it was not clear in the OP. Fair enough. Laelth Sep 2013 #265

so if current admin pays to do the questionseverything Sep 2013 #357

Yep Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2013 #7

Libya dkf Sep 2013 #29

Nope intaglio Sep 2013 #183

Wide array of U.S. warplanes used in Libya attacks dkf Sep 2013 #184

My error, but would you rather Gaddhafi was still in power? intaglio Sep 2013 #186

It is none of our business and only creates more hatred towards us. dkf Sep 2013 #187

It is. bvar22 Sep 2013 #278

al Qaeda controls nothing intaglio Sep 2013 #329

We are about to make a habit of shock and awe and you don't even realize it. dkf Sep 2013 #189

Can we mark you as pro-Saddam Hussein? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #199

Anyone is entitled to disagree with the President's policies... brooklynite Sep 2013 #6

The insults have gove both ways. last1standing Sep 2013 #13

And in a country with proportional representation nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #17

All you have to do... brooklynite Sep 2013 #22

Nah, what I want requires an amendment nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #32

Assume you have proportional representation... brooklynite Sep 2013 #47

You'll have more parties than just that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #65

No, we don't... brooklynite Sep 2013 #84

But there are different middles quakerboy Sep 2013 #138

Which is why it would be good nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #291

It's been done several times... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #82

It's not statistics nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #104

I don't entirely buy Mills' concept since... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #154

Look at Mexico. It's a bicameral system nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #290

Those are exactly the reasons a Third Part fails... brooklynite Sep 2013 #105

Wrong, your neighbors to the south do not have a Parliament nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #107

Those Populists weren't all that successful, being big... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #162

No, no need for a new party but people should treat others opinions as they want their own to be cstanleytech Sep 2013 #136

That is what has to be done treestar Sep 2013 #292

K & R Rex Sep 2013 #9

Kick and recommended nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #11

You can think whatever you want. This is America. xfundy Sep 2013 #12

Anyone who hates Obama for being black would also hate him for being a Democrat. last1standing Sep 2013 #18

Seriously? You think there are no racists in the Democratic party? LadyHawkAZ Sep 2013 #91

I think there is prejudice everywhere but not much actual racism in the Democratic party. last1standing Sep 2013 #108

There's racism right here on DU, my friend. I've witnessed it firsthand. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #206

I don't believe that. nt G_j Sep 2013 #270

You not believing it doesn't make it false. You just don't believe it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #315

This on DU?? G_j Sep 2013 #344

Yes. I have personally witnessed racism on DU. Are you a person of color? Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #347

people on DU said G_j Sep 2013 #359

No, not in that specific case. I'm referring to general instances of racism that exists here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #367

for sure it does G_j Sep 2013 #369

Oh, sorry for not being clearer. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #374

I was a moderator during that time... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #383

And that's not what I said. Read again. Go ahead. I did not assert that someone here on DU said Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #384

It is heavily implied... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #387

Really? Does it matter? I mean, why is it that people are always attempting to diminish others' Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #389

Well since you think I am targeting you... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #391

Not just me. Open you eyes. Open your mind. Listen to anyone who tells you that they have Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #392

Here's an example of a thread that I believe is quite sexist... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #431

You're fucking out of your mind! There are indeed racists in the Democratic Party! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #205

But the people being accused of "ODS" have usually given thoughtful criticism of policy cui bono Sep 2013 #120

That is the point nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #123

Exactly. Plus... cui bono Sep 2013 #127

Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #128

Obamacare is not Romneycare. joshcryer Sep 2013 #14

Exactly. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #20

I'm not claiming that Obama has done nothing good. last1standing Sep 2013 #21

No, your claim is Obama is "moving to the right." Your words. joshcryer Sep 2013 #27

Hold on a second. Are you claiming that Obama hasn't moved to the right since his campaigns? last1standing Sep 2013 #51

I'm saying he's been mostly consistent. joshcryer Sep 2013 #73

You see, I don't agree with you but I can see where you're coming from. last1standing Sep 2013 #86

I never saw ODS as racism or mental disturbance. joshcryer Sep 2013 #116

"Derangement" is in the name so they're definitely calling it a mental disturbance. last1standing Sep 2013 #122

That's the most negative definition. joshcryer Sep 2013 #125

Based on the context of the posts I've read I have to disagree with you. last1standing Sep 2013 #133

I'm not defending others' use of the word. joshcryer Sep 2013 #135

I know. last1standing Sep 2013 #142

By the way, this is the insinuation in context I'm talking about. last1standing Sep 2013 #145

Calling something a "syndrome" definitely has medical connotations, no? n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #246

You call it 'Hillarycare/Obamacare' but here is Obama in 08 explaining why he oppposed Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #212

Yeah, and I remember the Harry and Louise ads. joshcryer Sep 2013 #403

Obama didn't support chained CPI creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #397

And it always came with a poverty threshold. joshcryer Sep 2013 #401

It's RomneyCare with some accoutrements MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #36

Romney vetoed "Romneycare." joshcryer Sep 2013 #42

He vetoed the whole thing? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #44

What ProSense Sep 2013 #60

Wait... do *you* think Romney vetoed the whole thing? nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #62

He vetoed eight sections, including Medicaid, dental benefits and health coverage for seniors ProSense Sep 2013 #70

But he didn't veto the essential parts. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #76

LOL. He vetoed the most significant parts of the bill added by the legislature ProSense Sep 2013 #78

The public health council and its power is HIGHLY essential. joshcryer Sep 2013 #92

He vetoed the bits making it look like Obamacare. joshcryer Sep 2013 #63

Hmm... What bits did he veto? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #66

Here: ProSense Sep 2013 #72

The main thing was the public health council which acts as an HHS of sorts. joshcryer Sep 2013 #85

The non-profit plans are effective in 2014 ProSense Sep 2013 #96

Nah, different thing, it's going to come in waves. joshcryer Sep 2013 #109

I see, those are the Multi-state plans. ProSense Sep 2013 #115

Understood. joshcryer Sep 2013 #118

This is the Hiddent Backdoor to the Public Option Skraxx Sep 2013 #316

Yeah, I must have missed that too Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #217

Love that picture of Ted Kennedy. joshcryer Sep 2013 #410

When a President & Handlers and Dem Party...Allows "Obama Care" KoKo Sep 2013 #371

Bush made the deal that ended Iraq. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #69

McCain would have renegotiated SOFA during the 2009 bombings. joshcryer Sep 2013 #79

That's "toe" the line, like a runner lining up for a race... truebluegreen Sep 2013 #252

You can read McCain's comments on SOFA. joshcryer Sep 2013 #406

Your wish to falsify history... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #281

If Obama wanted to be in Iraq we would be in Iraq. joshcryer Sep 2013 #408

Bush adopted Obama's Iraq timeline JoePhilly Sep 2013 #219

Obama only wanted a smaller number creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #400

Why resort to name-calling? chervilant Sep 2013 #193

Bullying is his main thing. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #285

Whoop, there it is. Moving to the left? I have more examples... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #207

"We objected when Bill Clinton moved to the right and we object when Obama does it now." ProSense Sep 2013 #19

Um... That "Wall Street Reform" link says the opposite MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #39

Here is what it says: ProSense Sep 2013 #45

Oh no ... they got to Eleizabeth Warren too!!! JoePhilly Sep 2013 #245

You will have to excuse them, they suffer from ODS. Rex Sep 2013 #300

Time to cut the crap. The "center-right" doesn't exist here at DU. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #23

Yes, it sure as hell does. Bonobo Sep 2013 #46

No, it sure as hell does not. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #55

LOL, only 6% supported it here. joshcryer Sep 2013 #126

LOL! You hate this thread so much you had to comment on it twice. :) last1standing Sep 2013 #57

Yes, I do hate threads that divide DU based on horseshit. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #61

But dividing DU by claiming over half the posters suffer from ODS is a good thing. last1standing Sep 2013 #93

The division there comes from the posters who seem to suffer from ODS Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #106

There was no such thing as Bush Derangement Syndrome. Hissyspit Sep 2013 #164

O, goodie! chervilant Sep 2013 #195

I have a window to understand how insulting ODS accusations can be. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #202

Oh, really? You hate threads that divide DU based on horseshit? Hissyspit Sep 2013 #163

Your recent attention to my posts is touching. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #166

Kindly refrain from giving me any advice, thank you. Hissyspit Sep 2013 #177

OK. But people will say you're in love. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #178

I don't see how that divides DU. It brings up very legitimate points. There is indeed Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #210

Assuming you're right ... Laelth Sep 2013 #283

O.K., whatever. I don't mind disagreeing with the president on policy decisions Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #318

I don't think we'll see a Republican President for several cycles. Laelth Sep 2013 #333

I'm frustrated with all of it. ALL OF IT! I hate fucking Republicans, but I'm angry Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #334

Interesting. Laelth Sep 2013 #339

Then you didn't read the thread or you're seeing what you want to see. Hissyspit Sep 2013 #353

O.K., I'm going to read it again, then I'll come back. I'm going to be fair. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #354

Buuuuullllllshiiiiiiittt. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #87

Yeah, like Third-Way Manny, right? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #102

If your contention is that those people Union Scribe Sep 2013 #113

Um, right. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #119

The center-right most certainly exists here. I have seen defense of drone strikes, cui bono Sep 2013 #147

So does ODS. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #148

Okay, so you concede there are center-right on DU. cui bono Sep 2013 #149

No, actually, I don't. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #151

Okay, I thought you did since you said something like "there are also". cui bono Sep 2013 #153

Since some of you are referencing me, let me put in this... ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #173

Look who calls the kettle black. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #279

How could he disrupt so well if he was not on DU? Rex Sep 2013 #317

I agree. I'm just hoping this personage WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #396

I don't hold Skinner's site in low regard... ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #393

Two things. Laelth Sep 2013 #309

You ask several good questions... ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #386

The center-right doesn't exist here? YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #172

The OP didn't say the center-right exists on DU. Laelth Sep 2013 #275

That was some strong projection by the BOG host. Rex Sep 2013 #298

Sure it does! They live in the BOG and you are their leader. Rex Sep 2013 #297

I am their leader. You flatter me. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #368

Certainly does. sibelian Sep 2013 #419

Labels are handy. Octafish Sep 2013 #24

^^^^ nt grasswire Sep 2013 #50

Hit the nail right on the head! Oakenshield Sep 2013 #90

This is the correct answer. woo me with science Sep 2013 #112

+100 and 1 840high Sep 2013 #314

Moreover, the extremely conservative wet dream of burgeoning income inequality has raged indepat Sep 2013 #320

. jazzimov Sep 2013 #26

You used a ROFL smiley. Your argument is invalid. tkmorris Sep 2013 #43

That album is so #%^*ing awesome MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #52

Please show examples. Thank you. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #150

I think there is an ODS, but it is on the right quinnox Sep 2013 #28

I agree, I don't think Dems suffer from ODS. Rex Sep 2013 #35

The GOP adds ODS to a number of other issues they suffer from. quinnox Sep 2013 #37

After thinking about it more, I believe BOG members suffer from ODS. Rex Sep 2013 #168

This is my all time favorite example of ODS: joshcryer Sep 2013 #49

and that person who wrote the OP was tombstoned quinnox Sep 2013 #64

I'm linking to a subthread, the OP is irrelevant. joshcryer Sep 2013 #132

Case in point "birthers" who in the same breath ignore Cruz is a Canadian. gordianot Sep 2013 #53

No question, "birth-ism" is a prime symptom quinnox Sep 2013 #59

We used to just call that racism. last1standing Sep 2013 #95

Yes, racism describes it well. gordianot Sep 2013 #155

Republicans may suffer from DDS and BDS but not likely ODS. last1standing Sep 2013 #71

Well, trying to figure out the various afflictions of these republican bozos is probably a waste quinnox Sep 2013 #80

We definitely agree on that. last1standing Sep 2013 #114

They hate, hate, hate them some Jimmy too. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #398

Qoutes Goering 'nuf said lunasun Sep 2013 #33

It's a rhetorical construct intended to inhibit conversation. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #41

+1 JackRiddler Sep 2013 #74

That's exactly what it is. last1standing Sep 2013 #101

Precisely! n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #165

To me, "hater" and "ODS" are flashing neon signs reading: Don't Take Me Seriously. winter is coming Sep 2013 #218

Of course it is. sibelian Sep 2013 #420

Total bullshit OP. rury Sep 2013 #54

Another one awakens. Lol. nt Union Scribe Sep 2013 #88

Awakens? cui bono Sep 2013 #174

Reanimates would probably be a better term Fumesucker Sep 2013 #196

Must have escaped from the ignore dungeon. L0oniX Sep 2013 #280

I think "escaped from the drawer" is more likely. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #295

Well if you say so.... last1standing Sep 2013 #97

Oh yeah? TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #56

Your criteria for expressing an opinion would shut this site down in 24 hours. last1standing Sep 2013 #83

That's pretty much what I was saying, although... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #98

"And it often seems to come just because there's nothing else around to bash him with." Number23 Sep 2013 #179

K&R! Phlem Sep 2013 #58

Was I the only one who thought it was satire? n/t cynatnite Sep 2013 #67

The OP just demonstrated ODS exists. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #68

And your post just demonstrated everything I wrote about. last1standing Sep 2013 #75

Goody. Maybe you'll get quoted on some radio show. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #81

So long as it's not Stephanie Miller I'm good with that. last1standing Sep 2013 #89

Figures. You're good with Limbaugh but not Stephanie Miller. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #156

LOL! You can't even troll well. last1standing Sep 2013 #157

Calls pro-Obama Dems trolls. Check. Fake laughter. Check. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #160

Grief! How much will you change this post before you're satisfied? last1standing Sep 2013 #253

you should read some of replies on my facebook page madrchsod Sep 2013 #77

That may be what I usually call old fashioned racism. last1standing Sep 2013 #94

K&R Nice try, thank you for the effort. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #99

K&R DeSwiss Sep 2013 #103

Thank you! BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #111

It's a derailment tactic. JoeyT Sep 2013 #117

"Even republicans aren't affected with ODS." ProSense Sep 2013 #121

Cruz doesn't hate Obama, he hates what he thinks Obama stands for. last1standing Sep 2013 #130

Oh please. ProSense Sep 2013 #134

Every now and then I try to have a rational conversation with you. last1standing Sep 2013 #137

This is becoming parody ProSense Sep 2013 #140

That you think those 2 statements are the same says it all. nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #204

Enlighten me. ProSense Sep 2013 #224

Not worth my time laundry_queen Sep 2013 #251

Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #254

I'm sorry your brain cannot grasp the concept. Really, I am. nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #262

I sorry that you believe you're smarter because you think "hate" is reasonable. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #263

I'm sorry you feel the need to put words in my mouth and lie about what I said. nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #267

You attempted create a distinction between "hate" and "unreasonable" ProSense Sep 2013 #268

You still don't get it. It's sad. nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #269

Get this: ProSense Sep 2013 #273

ooo a linkie! To try prove something I never asserted! nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #308

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2013 #388

I learned today that it originated as a right wing meme against Bush critics. cui bono Sep 2013 #124

Quite correct . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #169

It goes back at least to Bill Clinton, CDS was Clinton Deragement Syndrome Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #215

the sad part is that the RW was not expounding that crap G_j Sep 2013 #274

Sure it does. madamesilverspurs Sep 2013 #129

+1, madamesilverspurs Hekate Sep 2013 #139

There is a lot of pretending going on ProSense Sep 2013 #141

Hey folks, look! ProSense is insinuating that we're "guilt absolving." last1standing Sep 2013 #143

Damn right. ProSense Sep 2013 #146

Right HERE you blatantly tried to get others to come bully ProSense. DevonRex Sep 2013 #180

Strange Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #198

It is a term created by those that cannot stand any kind of criticism. Rex Sep 2013 #144

LOL! Just like there isn't any racism on the right, right? Drunken Irishman Sep 2013 #152

"I'm not saying many republican's aren't racist, we all know many are." last1standing Sep 2013 #158

Right...it just furthers my point. Drunken Irishman Sep 2013 #161

Thanks for clearing that up. 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #159

Horseshit. It's about his race, and everyone really knows it, 6000eliot Sep 2013 #167

Yeah, right . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #170

If it doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't apply to you, but to deny that it exists... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #214

Believe what you want to believe YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #171

Yeah, and opposing Anne Coulter is misogynist. sibelian Sep 2013 #421

The haters are going to hate........eom Hobo Sep 2013 #175

Kicked and rec'd. Th1onein Sep 2013 #176

Aaargh! Make it stop. Make all this suckass moron fucking self-righteous cali Sep 2013 #192

interesting attempt. reddread Sep 2013 #228

Me thinks thou doth protest to much! whistler162 Sep 2013 #194

I don't see DUers calling other DUers racists? B Calm Sep 2013 #197

It doesn't happen. I find it interesting, too. It's the same knee-jerk argument Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #213

We've had people here piss on Obama for being photographed with kids BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #201

Again, to pretend that there is no difference between sincere expressions of Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #203

Shouting and CAPS TYPE are not nearly as persuasive as supporting one's assertions with Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #222

+1. last1standing Sep 2013 #226

Make your own arguments. What was extreme about what I wrote? Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #235

When you can post in this thread without the hyperbole and ALLCAPS!!!111!!!, I will. last1standing Sep 2013 #237

LOL! Your OP is nothing but hyperbole. But, I get it. You have no arguments to Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #239

Yep. Those are the kinds of comments you'll have to leave behind if you want to discuss this with m last1standing Sep 2013 #243

My extreme assertions? What do you mean by extreme? I think I made myself very clear Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #234

I am curious why The Group seem to avoid posts like the following rhett o rick Sep 2013 #361

Where was this posted? I don't visit the BOG often. Was this posted there? Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #366

ODS does exist! ananda Sep 2013 #208

Actually, it does--on the right at least. Arkana Sep 2013 #209

ODS doesn't exist on my DU Marrah_G Sep 2013 #211

K&R 99Forever Sep 2013 #221

birtherism is proof ODS exists scheming daemons Sep 2013 #229

Birtherism is old fashioned ignorant racism, nothing more or less. last1standing Sep 2013 #231

Support for the ACA is 10% higher than for "Obamacare". This is proof of ODS. scheming daemons Sep 2013 #230

Or it could be a sign that republicans like the policies but don't like Democrats who propose them. last1standing Sep 2013 #233

Agreed. An ODS accusation is a lazy way to avoid discussion. Laelth Sep 2013 #232

Like "paid shill," "Third Way/DLCer" or ProSense Sep 2013 #238

Clearly you don't need to call people names to dodge a question, that's clear. bobduca Sep 2013 #241

Those labels may be accurate, for all I know. Laelth Sep 2013 #256

"In fact, none of the above are lazy excuses to avoid discussion. " ProSense Sep 2013 #258

I never used the word "only" in regards to lazy ways to avoid discussion. Laelth Sep 2013 #264

It's relevant bobduca Sep 2013 #272

I appreciate the many informative OPs Pro has given us over the years. Laelth Sep 2013 #276

Trying to make Pro's point for her bobduca Sep 2013 #302

I hear you. Laelth Sep 2013 #307

she bravely endures RetroLounge Sep 2013 #438

I don't "discuss" things with people when they use terms like "death panels" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #345

Hmm. Laelth Sep 2013 #349

I certainly agree they hate all Democrats ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #351

Indeed. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #352

Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining! BootinUp Sep 2013 #242

Agreed. The premise in the OP is easily disproven by looking at page one of GD. Trashing thread. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #259

thank you. +1M. nt magical thyme Sep 2013 #271

You are dead wrong, Standing Nitram Sep 2013 #282

True, the Rs are desperate and increasingly shrill and obstinate. Laelth Sep 2013 #287

Thank You !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #284

You've obviously done very good work. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #286

Agree with this: ProSense Sep 2013 #293

Did you hear yourself called by my comment? JackRiddler Sep 2013 #324

I agree and I cannot stop laughing at their hypocrisy. Rex Sep 2013 #299

+1 SunSeeker Sep 2013 #319

It appears that the overwhelming majority of posters claiming that some DUers Zorra Sep 2013 #330

You'll never believe the jury I got last night... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #340

I believe it. The problem we progressives have is that, when Obama said "make me do it" Zorra Sep 2013 #358

CENTRISM!!!! bvar22 Sep 2013 #380

+1 for your post. Laelth Sep 2013 #350

DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #289

Bahahaha! Funny post. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #294

I've been ignoring the latest and greatest smears Hydra Sep 2013 #296

Meanwhile back on the Farm,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #301

ODS is real. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #303

So, I take it heaven05 Sep 2013 #304

Um.... beerandjesus Sep 2013 #326

okay heaven05 Sep 2013 #377

"Does anyone remember how the right .... AlbertCat Sep 2013 #306

The Rs were not kind to Clinton. Laelth Sep 2013 #312

Impeach Clinton bumper stickers were circulated before his inaugural reddread Sep 2013 #325

Welcome to DU. Laelth Sep 2013 #335

thank you reddread Sep 2013 #343

No doubt. Laelth Sep 2013 #348

They called Clinton a commie agent JackRiddler Sep 2013 #327

I got called a Commie Pinko Liberalynn Sep 2013 #331

They called Clinton a commie agent AlbertCat Sep 2013 #414

Well, obviously! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #417

the first person to call Clinton the first black president was doing so in praise AlbertCat Sep 2013 #432

Two words: Arkansas Project YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #409

two more words AlbertCat Sep 2013 #415

Faulty logic... Orsino Sep 2013 #310

K/R 840high Sep 2013 #313

It's telling that the concept is from Krauthammer... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #322

This is how I look at it Liberalynn Sep 2013 #323

It does for the GOP, ODS is a spot on to describe them. Rex Sep 2013 #328

I disagree with the poster. I think ODS does exist here. There are days when I have to do a double OregonBlue Sep 2013 #332

Not true! I have it!!! I tried to get it cured but grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #336

Unrec ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #337

I disagree ColumbusLib Sep 2013 #355

And I respect that. last1standing Sep 2013 #390

Hmmm Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2013 #356

I have never criticized his center-right policies. I only criiticize his extreme right-wing policies BlueStreak Sep 2013 #360

last1standing...Applaud your Reply! KoKo Sep 2013 #370

LOL Scurrilous Sep 2013 #378

bullshit. ODS is just another term for "the idiot whining left ignores talk radio" same as certainot Sep 2013 #379

Obama himself would find them utterly ridiculous Skittles Sep 2013 #381

About ignoring them? Rex Sep 2013 #395

I keep a couple off Ignore for entertainment purposes Skittles Sep 2013 #405

Oh same here! I just blocked the hatemongers from the BOG Rex Sep 2013 #416

. baldguy Sep 2013 #385

They went nuts because Michelle Obama is urging people to drink more water. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #402

Truth be told, Obama and his admin had the best of intentions Taverner Sep 2013 #428

Nope, no ODS from the left at all... SidDithers Sep 2013 #430

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #433

So all you have are insults but I'm the one who's deranged. last1standing Sep 2013 #434

I agree with you PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #435

Well put... RetroLounge Sep 2013 #437

It isn't a literal ailment lol AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #440