Maybe the idealist liberals can just stifile themselves

[ancianita]

134. I negated the unfounded, thus unfair claim that Obama invented kill lists. I was irritated by

those sweeping, unfair claims, too. Sorry to both phlem and you for the "luxurious and safe" phrase; it was a bit over the top, ambivalently meant more as a philosophical outlook than as a personal attack -- even if all of phlem's attacks were unfounded. I do stand behind everything else, though. Feel free to take one sentence out of thousands I've posted to decide who or what I am because you want to. That also says a lot about you, yourself.

I don't think that drones keep us safe, but stopping them will take more than putting their use solely on Obama's shoulders. Because huge numbers of Americans do say that they feel safer because of whatever our military does. Also becaue we're not the only public that the commander-in-chief deals with or listens to.

Sovereign rule comes down to "might makes right." No public morality has changed that bottom line behavior of leaders for thousands of years -- only by civil war or other leaders' force -- no matter how disgusting it appears. I don't like it myself, or endorse it, but it's a reality that I as an idealist liberal have had to face.

We're not a defeated civilian command, but we have lost a lot of control over the military, and it's a circumstance that I don't think is solely Obama's doing. How to regain it is a project that goes beyond this one president.