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151. I agree that it's too early to look at 2016...

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:03 PM

Sep 2013

All of the focus needs to be on 2014. I'm in Arkansas and the state legislature spends all of its time trying to limit reproductive rights. Its a waste of time. I often wonder if they even care about the agenda, or if they are just there making certain nothing productive happens (pun not intentional).

Just like the US House - 41 votes to repeal Obamacare: a program that came out of a right wing think tank. It isn't that they're actually trying to accomplish anything - they're making sure nothing gets accomplished.

I don't know that we necessarily disagree. It isn't that he couldn't be doing a better job as much as he isn't able to do the job that I'd like to see him doing. I just think we have to be realistic about what to expect in the current political climate.

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Maybe the idealist liberals can just stifile themselves [View all] CreekDog Sep 2013 OP

Shhhh lefties. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #1

We can do that?? Hydra Sep 2013 #3

We could start screaming "socialism" and stuff like "worker's rights" NuclearDem Sep 2013 #4

O.o Hydra Sep 2013 #5

And whistle blowers. dgibby Sep 2013 #41

I'm all about that idea. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #11

I scream about smearing with lime jello and dare them to have a problem with it. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #52

I get that reference! BillyRibs Sep 2013 #121

Sounds sensible... jsr Sep 2013 #2

1) bad policy proposed 2) we "wait for the details" before saying anything 3) it passes MisterP Sep 2013 #6

you're so right! once a law passes, is impossible to change back. look at the 9/11-knee jerk laws. Sunlei Sep 2013 #16

They're rescindable. ancianita Sep 2013 #18

Technically, yes. But practically? Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #20

It's not totally up to industry. It can be done for the greater good of all. Industry can suck it. ancianita Sep 2013 #65

I agree. That's why Ibsaid "elected officials". Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #122

Like Welfare Reform? That was, how long ago now? Airc, it was supposed to be 'fixed'. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #106

Your irrational ODS is noted Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #7

ODS is a lie demwing Sep 2013 #63

I don't know exactly your take on the ODS, but for me it's improper semantically and culturally. libdem4life Sep 2013 #83

The "__ Derangement syndrome" meme is a well known right wing attack device created by Dragonfli Sep 2013 #116

^ reddread Sep 2013 #130

Thanks for the explanation...wasn't around here during Bush and frankly wasn't too surprised libdem4life Sep 2013 #137

I don't mind them. In fact, I think them useful. Xyzse Sep 2013 #8

This. nt Skidmore Sep 2013 #30

Thank you! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #37

Thank you! That's all the idealist liberals ask. When the time is right, the ideals become real. ancianita Sep 2013 #72

This! We all have more in common than not. IronLionZion Sep 2013 #133

Good points. The problem with... Blanks Sep 2013 #141

I can agree with this Xyzse Sep 2013 #143

If we don't get control of the house and maintain control of the senate... Blanks Sep 2013 #149

For this, we may have to agree to disagree on a few points. Xyzse Sep 2013 #150

I agree that it's too early to look at 2016... Blanks Sep 2013 #151

the "moderate republicans" in control of the party would like lefties to STFU nt msongs Sep 2013 #9

True that Roland99 Sep 2013 #10

Really? colsohlibgal Sep 2013 #12

Where can we read through it? LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #13

big difference between idealist and ideologue. Idealist works towards goals, taking long view. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #14

+1 JoePhilly Sep 2013 #43

And then there's the apathetic, who just snarls at anyone arguing against status quo n/t Scootaloo Sep 2013 #112

I am sure the freepers are cheering that goal hollysmom Sep 2013 #15

Before I put in my two cents, I'll say that the MLK photo implication is clever of you. ancianita Sep 2013 #17

thank you CreekDog Sep 2013 #27

Obama DID clearly ask to be held accountable to his campaign promises. 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #19

I, for one, took that seriously (too). Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #21

Oh, that was just marketing RetroLounge Sep 2013 #31

Well, that's no excuse 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #35

I don't think *he* is... RetroLounge Sep 2013 #36

Beat me to it! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #39

an excellent point CreekDog Sep 2013 #45

They're just fussing with each other. Families do that, and I'm feminist enough to say that. ancianita Sep 2013 #75

Yes. That's probably true. nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #94

Absolutism absolutely fails. Practicality & pragmatism often win. Sometimes stifle, sometimes shout. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #22

+1 Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #102

Absolutely! GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #123

This 'irony' shit is so fucking tiresome. Leave it to One-Note, I mean, Third-Way Manny. Richardo Sep 2013 #23

Yet here you are, kicking it RetroLounge Sep 2013 #32

Here's another. Richardo Sep 2013 #42

I for one, embrace my new Overlord Third-Way Manny. Autumn Sep 2013 #47

I am alerting. Another Third Way Manny appreciation post. Sheesh. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #60

The bigger Third Way Manny's head gets, the better for us. Autumn Sep 2013 #62

Maybe I will just put TWM on ignore and keep regular Manny. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #64

didn't you get the memo? third-way manny is gone. magical thyme Sep 2013 #54

I have an image for that hootinholler Sep 2013 #24

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #53

Seconded. Don't start with the censorship shit. ancianita Sep 2013 #67

and I'll 3rd that! Phlem Sep 2013 #74

Isn't that the OP message? hootinholler Sep 2013 #101

Richard Nixon: the last liberal President. Doc_Technical Sep 2013 #25

oh bullshizz: the dude was a nasty rightwing mofo struggle4progress Sep 2013 #114

and above all Enrique Sep 2013 #26

What good does it possibly do to criticize the president from the left? Phlem Sep 2013 #28

The Left is not throwable. Got that? Obama knows that liberal idealism has inherent validity. Obama ancianita Sep 2013 #68

Maybe so Phlem Sep 2013 #99

It's CIC behavior. It's leadership. Real leading is disgusting, which is why most of us don't do it. ancianita Sep 2013 #100

+1 Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #103

Honestly, a lot of people didn't step up for the job. Phlem Sep 2013 #107

True, I might be misinterpreting you, but I do think we have to moderate words like "disgust" ancianita Sep 2013 #108

Just imagine what this country would be like if either of his opponents had won. Phlem Sep 2013 #109

"Real leading is disgusting". WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #131

I negated the unfounded, thus unfair claim that Obama invented kill lists. I was irritated by ancianita Sep 2013 #134

You're obviously not an activist... RetroLounge Sep 2013 #29

indubitably CreekDog Sep 2013 #33

I'm telling SalmonChantedEvening Sep 2013 #59

yes tell them CreekDog Sep 2013 #70

you should know better than to post those thoughts in public! nashville_brook Sep 2013 #34

Here's the problem. jeff47 Sep 2013 #38

Well said Aeroette Sep 2013 #49

Damned right we should continue that movement. You're talking about fair weather moderates. ancianita Sep 2013 #71

No, there's plenty of them further to the left. jeff47 Sep 2013 #73

"All sorts of people" are not what liberal idealists are. They think differently from fair weather ancianita Sep 2013 #77

There are both kinds of "liberal idealists". jeff47 Sep 2013 #139

True. ancianita Sep 2013 #142

Sometimes change is ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #124

No, just our recollection of the change is jeff47 Sep 2013 #138

What a GREAT post, beautifully stated! rivegauche Sep 2013 #146

On second read... beerandjesus Sep 2013 #40

I got that on first read. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #50

Thank you. You get it, too. ancianita Sep 2013 #79

no, but he stood on that balcony reddread Sep 2013 #129

I see you took the lecture to the left to heart. dgibby Sep 2013 #44

I loved reading the implication today that we're the rude ones. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #46

Right on, brother. quakerboy Sep 2013 #48

Oh great, we're having another pity party. cheapdate Sep 2013 #51

I have no intention Jake2413 Sep 2013 #55

There was a very great amount more outrage here over the possibility of going to war in Syria Gman Sep 2013 #56

i don't consider the ones you mention to really be left JI7 Sep 2013 #58

So, No True Scotsman, then? jeff47 Sep 2013 #66

i agree with the poster mostly JI7 Sep 2013 #69

that's because it's right wing republicans gutting voting rights. We expect that Doctor_J Sep 2013 #111

You expect Dems to fight them on it??? With what? With what support? It's a dead issue here now Gman Sep 2013 #115

Wow. Total Hundredth Monkey Effect going on here. Zorra Sep 2013 #57

I'LL ALWAYS SPEAK UP Skittles Sep 2013 #61

Yea, let's not push our luck. Eddie Haskell Sep 2013 #76

Imagine if GWB had told the Tea Partiers to stand down. Their moniker did not emerge out of a libdem4life Sep 2013 #78

Amen, brother. ancianita Sep 2013 #81

That is an awesome picture...never seen that one. Thank you. libdem4life Sep 2013 #84

Glad you liked it. Might as well do a little sanctification for the hell of it. ancianita Sep 2013 #86

Amen, brother ! libdem4life Sep 2013 #87

I hope no one feels compelled to stifle themselves War Horse Sep 2013 #80

Because, everyone, it's really not about any one president, is it. ancianita Sep 2013 #82

Well they have an echo chamber so I won't be so forgiving toward Rex Sep 2013 #85

I don't understand. Are you saying that liberal idealists are some form of authoritarian? ancianita Sep 2013 #88

No, I am saying the echo chamber some here love are the authoritarians. Rex Sep 2013 #89

That I agree with. Idealists and authoritarians don't get along. Not for idealists lack of trying. ancianita Sep 2013 #90

I believe idealists want everyone to get along Rex Sep 2013 #91

Pretty much. It's about the power of love vs. the love of power. About win/win vs. win/lose politics ancianita Sep 2013 #92

K&R. What happened to that spirit? YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #93

... L0oniX Sep 2013 #95

Need some help nailing yourself to that cross? tabasco Sep 2013 #96

Maybe idealist liberals should recognize that they are not the only Democrats who care bluestate10 Sep 2013 #97

Who thinks that? I sure don't. CreekDog Sep 2013 #98

They do recognize. But they shouldn't have to stfu about visions that end need, hard work or ancianita Sep 2013 #104

This is new. RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #105

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz........... brooklynite Sep 2013 #110

CD, the problem isn't so much the idealism on the left....it's how it's used. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #113

You'll be holding your thought a lot longer if you're waiting for a GOP Prez to make it all happen. Scurrilous Sep 2013 #117

where were you in 1996? azurnoir Sep 2013 #120

Stifle This! highprincipleswork Sep 2013 #118

Poetry for the ages...A Liberal "Idealist" turned American Leader libdem4life Sep 2013 #136

Results without ideals highprincipleswork Sep 2013 #152

Good point. Change is never easy. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #119

100th rec! nt Union Scribe Sep 2013 #125

K&R'ed BrainDrain Sep 2013 #126

Remember our poutrage over that homophobic Fucknutz at the inaugural? Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #127

We take credit for Syria. joshcryer Sep 2013 #128

because no one gives a fuck what we think. questionseverything Sep 2013 #148

It is called "holding their feet to the fire" randr Sep 2013 #132

lolz Yes, idealists are all MLK!1! JNelson6563 Sep 2013 #135

That's right, just twist this thread all to hell in order to shoot the shotgun snark at yea-sayers. ancianita Sep 2013 #144

or your kind could, and inevitably will stupidicus Sep 2013 #140

I see what you did! bvar22 Sep 2013 #145

IN MY RUSH OF IDEALISM, I MUST'A IMAGINED THAT THE PREZ. SAID TO PUSH HIM, FDR TOO drynberg Sep 2013 #147