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In reply to the discussion: TPM: "Premiums do not reflect the full cost of coverage." [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)18. In the piece linked to,
Obamacare does include some protections. For many low-income people, the ACA limits how much they'll have to spend on health care. Individuals with an income at 200 percent of poverty or below won't pay more than $2,250 out of their pocket annually. If those people get in a major accident or are diagnosed with a serious illness, Obamacare is still going to help protect them from catastrophic medical costs.
...Avalere Health is primarily addressing deductibles for unsubsidized plans.
Despite Lower Than Expected Premiums, Exchange Consumers Will Face High Cost-Sharing Before the Out-of-Pocket Cap
http://www.avalerehealth.net/news/spotlight/Exchange_Benefit_Design_Release.pdf
Yet Avalere Health put out an analysis that claims 80 percent of those participating in the exchange will be subsidized.
Avalere Analysis of Exchange Rates for 2014
As stakeholders prepare for the launch of open enrollment in less than a month, one of the key questions that remain is what pricing will look like in exchanges. Avalere Health analyzed public rate filings released by 12 states18 state-run and 4 federally-run or partnership exchanges. Based on the analysis, minimum premiums for a 40-year old, non-smoker averaged across states is $261 per month for a Silver exchange plan. Premiums for the lowest cost Silver products available in each state range from $197 per month in Maryland to $383 in Vermonta difference of $186 across states. Regardless of whether the state or federal government is operating the exchange, we are seeing competitive Silver premiums in the low $200 to $300 range in most markets, says Caroline Pearson, Avalere Vice President. Furthermore, an estimated 80 percent of exchange enrollees will qualify for premium subsidies that will further reduce the cost of coverage.
http://www.avalerehealth.net/news/spotlight/20130904_Avalere_Rate_Analysis.pdf
As stakeholders prepare for the launch of open enrollment in less than a month, one of the key questions that remain is what pricing will look like in exchanges. Avalere Health analyzed public rate filings released by 12 states18 state-run and 4 federally-run or partnership exchanges. Based on the analysis, minimum premiums for a 40-year old, non-smoker averaged across states is $261 per month for a Silver exchange plan. Premiums for the lowest cost Silver products available in each state range from $197 per month in Maryland to $383 in Vermonta difference of $186 across states. Regardless of whether the state or federal government is operating the exchange, we are seeing competitive Silver premiums in the low $200 to $300 range in most markets, says Caroline Pearson, Avalere Vice President. Furthermore, an estimated 80 percent of exchange enrollees will qualify for premium subsidies that will further reduce the cost of coverage.
http://www.avalerehealth.net/news/spotlight/20130904_Avalere_Rate_Analysis.pdf
Kind of hard to figure out what the point of the TPM piece is. The next study TPM cites is a by conservative organization, and then it debunks the findings.
There are some caveats. For a 27-year-old man making less than 400 percent of the poverty level, the law's tax credits will go some of the way -- though not always all the way -- toward offsetting those costs. In addition, the institute's analysis doesn't account for the fact that the health insurance offered through Obamacare is much more comprehensive than the existing plans that it used for comparison. Insurers must cover a wide range of medical services, so the consumer is getting more coverage for the increased cost. Plus, there are the aforementioned limits on how much lower-income people can ultimately be asked to pay out of pocket each year.
Tim Jost, a Washington and Lee University professor and Obamacare advocate, observed in Health Affairs Wednesday that insurance under the ACA will offer "bankruptcy protection" to young people who are paying more for coverage in a way that insurance before the ACA didn't.
Tim Jost, a Washington and Lee University professor and Obamacare advocate, observed in Health Affairs Wednesday that insurance under the ACA will offer "bankruptcy protection" to young people who are paying more for coverage in a way that insurance before the ACA didn't.
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There are not a variety of single payer methodologies. The UK is not single payer.
Recursion
Sep 2013
#118
In the case of single payer health care we're talking about getting insurance companies out
cui bono
Sep 2013
#75
Well as you can see there are plenty of for profit. Also, not-for-profit doesn't mean CEOs aren't
cui bono
Sep 2013
#86
Single payer as discussed in the health care debate is not for profit as it would be govt run,
cui bono
Sep 2013
#81
Yes, people who are finally getting *some* insurance are getting worse plans than you have
Recursion
Sep 2013
#64
Also the doctor networks in the ACA plans are apparently smaller than those available in the same
PoliticAverse
Sep 2013
#2
Yes. Same as Medicaid. Some doctors have little interest in taking care of the little guy.
Mass
Sep 2013
#4
I do think there is some truth to your post. However, 76% is a quite large population.
antigop
Sep 2013
#73
No? Could the ACA not have been written to take care of this craven loop-hole?
WinkyDink
Sep 2013
#25
There wasn't a loophole. It was more of a carve-out created by the Supreme Court.
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#27
I love how people assume ACA supporters are incapable of reading each other's posts
Recursion
Sep 2013
#88
Oh yeah, right. Abandon the whole ACA till that part could get fixed. What a brilliant idea.
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#69
All preventive care is free under Obamacare, whether or not you have met your deductible.
Nye Bevan
Sep 2013
#9
I'm TIRED of being told what I "must understand;" that is, what I must ACCEPT. We knew this would be
WinkyDink
Sep 2013
#23
Wouldn't a 65- year old woman be on Medicare? However, older people can be charged more
antigop
Sep 2013
#29
yes, enlightenment, I do think the news coverage could be better. Older people can be charged up
antigop
Sep 2013
#38
no, the press coverage doesn't state that older people can be charged up to three times
antigop
Sep 2013
#96
People above 200% of poverty but not of the well healed cul de sac liberal variety
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#33
as I have stated repeatedly....it doesn't do you much good if you have insurance but can't afford to
antigop
Sep 2013
#34
Anybody that has had to use insurance to fight serious illness knows that truth
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#40
I would suspect many of them are invested in health care & pharmaceuticals.
raouldukelives
Sep 2013
#107
yes, you are correct...there has been a shift toward HSAs and high-deductible plans.
antigop
Sep 2013
#49
I need to clear this up about the single payer system, too, because I tire of the
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#50
It just seems that people think Obamacare is horrible because people
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#54
O.K., fair enough. However, a start: 80-85% has to be directed to health care
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#84
But I think Obamacare tries to correct at least some of the co-pay nonsense for some
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#61
Yes! Yes! Yes! We agree on that. This culture needs to change. We agree!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#97
Another concern is if you can't get an appointment you may be forced to go out of network...
dkf
Sep 2013
#53
I think that support for the law actually suffers from overselling despite terrible promotion.
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#102
We never passed or even tried to pas a health care law, we passed a law to mandate insurance
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#112