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TheKentuckian

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36. Probably a good thing but I'm not really personally pleased as that piece will make my
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 12:52 PM
Sep 2013

insurance cost higher because it means my company can no longer do "banding" which allows high earners to subsidize costs for lower income employees. I feel this was a very progressive policy that benefited the many within the context of our company and I can't say that I'm happy to see it go, even if it makes folks more aware of the real cost of their coverage because I don't see how it means much since the knowledge of that value doesn't translate anywhere not being lawfully considered owed compensation. If we were entitled to compensation to make up for those dollars if plans are ended or benefits reduced then it would mean something when the rubber hits the road but there is nothing to provide any anchor point to the number that I can see.

This is where the unions are rightfully pissed, they have traded away wages over decades to keep good coverage and now that compensation will be robbed, in my opinion (though I have always felt that wages should have been the focus for many reasons, most importantly a bigger paycheck is always a noticeable benefit of membership while maintaining coverage levels is less apparent and over time becomes baseline) and now in AusterityLand, they will never recoup the losses.

Of course I already understand that my buddy who brings home 5k+ more than me has a much lower overall compensation package than I do because he gets no insurance, no disability, no life insurance, no "retirement", and like a week of PTO so I don't need the reminder on my W-2 for a decade or two to "get it" and since "getting it" doesn't translate those dollars to ca$h to me if the cost of the benefit is reduced then I see little to no power in this knowledge. By the same token, I don't personally care about the often ballyhooed rebates because they just go back to the plan sponsor, who can use the money as they see fit and do not have to reduce employee share to reflect it as long as it goes back to healthcare which in this case seems to be funding a bogus ass wellness plan and maybe set aside supposedly to hedge against future costs or some such accounting trick.

I also tend to think the push to shove us into these high deductible plans will keep ratcheting up over time too, which also fails to translate to a wage increase.

I'm glad the individual market is having the worst law of the jungle excesses sanded down some and that the destitute will largely get a better shake but keep in mind most folks are covered and most are in the group market and those less than enthralled will potentially be less pleased than they are now.

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A lot of people have been asking for that enlightenment Sep 2013 #1
"turned away"? How about arrested and marched out solarhydrocan Sep 2013 #4
I have not forgotten. RC Sep 2013 #5
outside, on the steps at best (if we're lucky) yurbud Sep 2013 #34
At the 'You're allowed to voice your protest here' zone. icymist Sep 2013 #44
Would you qualify for a subsidy to help with that amount? NightWatcher Sep 2013 #2
I think my wife and I together make too much--though student loan payments take a bite yurbud Sep 2013 #8
Discounted premium. Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #18
People who now pay their own costs will be thrilled! My COBRA is $1,432.49/month. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #3
There were times when I could have gotten individual insurance for that but couldn't afford it yurbud Sep 2013 #9
And, COBRA is for a limited time, right? MH1 Sep 2013 #15
18 months and then 18 months again = 3 years. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #17
Should be far less than COBRA. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2013 #20
I pay for my own, but am lucky enough to live in the only state that has implemented bluestate10 Sep 2013 #25
It's not the "real" cost of health CARE, it's the real cost of health INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS yurbud Sep 2013 #35
That profit is definitely waste, but at best eliminating "profit" from premiums will save only 10% Hoyt Sep 2013 #53
and for those who dont live in "blue states"? bunnies Sep 2013 #54
The average Walmart worker earns about 17K a year... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #6
Those will have subsidies MH1 Sep 2013 #16
That average Walmart employer would get insurance that are virtually free to them under the bluestate10 Sep 2013 #26
Not to worry Demo_Chris the poor people will be dumped into the so-called bronze plans Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #37
Sadly, the mandated premiums demanded of the poor... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #39
I don't think there's any question of for whom it works, at all. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #41
This is my read on it as well.. Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #42
Not entirely. Some wellness/preventative measures will be free Orangepeel Sep 2013 #47
That would be a very good side effect. Laelth Sep 2013 #7
I don't think it's the intent, but I hope it's an effect nonetheless yurbud Sep 2013 #10
As a side point, that's cheaper than Medicare Recursion Sep 2013 #11
You can't be serious. RebelOne Sep 2013 #12
You presumably have paid in to the system, yes? Recursion Sep 2013 #14
I am over 65 and I think I just have Part A, RebelOne Sep 2013 #52
Almost nobody has to pay the Part A premium (except for the Medicare trust fund) Recursion Sep 2013 #57
Most people that have jobs that provide health care coverage never see the real cost of their bluestate10 Sep 2013 #28
That goes on this year's W-2's, right? Recursion Sep 2013 #29
You must be kidding. RebelOne Sep 2013 #51
But Part A - hospital - is "free," and you only pay about 1/3 average of Part B. Hoyt Sep 2013 #56
That's the subsidized Part B premium Recursion Sep 2013 #58
I understand that if you get a silver plan, many people can get subsidies for out-of-pocket costs, pnwmom Sep 2013 #13
A person or family must earn below a specific amount for subsidies. In my state, a bluestate10 Sep 2013 #22
BINGO. We have a WINNAH!!! bluestate10 Sep 2013 #19
I once got a quote out of curiosity from Blue Cross over the phone, the guy actually said JaneyVee Sep 2013 #21
The quote was likely for a top of the line Gold plan. Search on your ACA Exchange. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #23
This was 4 years ago. I was agreeing that most people don't know how much JaneyVee Sep 2013 #24
I was actually looking at Kaiser. I like the way they deliver services. yurbud Sep 2013 #33
My prediction: The ACA's greatest contribution will be to show the wisdom of single-payer n/t arcane1 Sep 2013 #27
"they probably have no idea what the total cost of their coverage is." PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #30
Probably a good thing but I'm not really personally pleased as that piece will make my TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #36
I'm glad that's in there. I hope people actually look at it. yurbud Sep 2013 #45
And the more who sign up, the less HC is linked to a specific job. DevonRex Sep 2013 #31
We effectively cannot, not most of us. Our employer contribution is not portable and we can't get TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #38
I'm looking at it this way. DevonRex Sep 2013 #40
They better pay a hell of a lot more and magically spring up within walking distance. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #46
I would like to see a single payer system and though I was covered over the years by insurance I Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #32
good god his insurance is 1200/mth. who okieinpain Sep 2013 #43
I've been saying this LWolf Sep 2013 #48
I agree with you. DevonRex Sep 2013 #49
I guess I'll find out SOMETHING for sure on October 1st. LWolf Sep 2013 #50
Before I got coverage through a job, I used to do the math on premiums vs my out of pocket costs... yurbud Sep 2013 #59
Yes. LWolf Sep 2013 #60
Many people see the ACA as a large step toward the real goal pnwmom Sep 2013 #55
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