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bvar22

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159. Thank You, DonCoquixote.

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:07 PM

Sep 2013

Excellent advice.
Baiting and Swarming as a tactic for suppressing opinion has been around for a while.
The best strategy is to NOT respond to one line Ad Hominems, Attacks on the Messenger, Red Herrings (clear Hi-Jack diversions), and Strawmen,
but that is hard to do.

Personally, I would like to see the "Alerts Transparency" function activated,
and "alerts" totally transparent (added to a members Profile)

I have no problem with signing my name to every Alert I have used.

I also have no problem signing my name every Jury I have served on, and
signing my name to every "explanation" or "comment" I have given for my vote on a Jury. Some members of DU use the "explanation box" on Jury Service as a Free Shot, and this is not honorable behavior.

I am a believer in Transparency and Accountability.

DURec!

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Advice about the new DU rules [View all] DonCoquixote Sep 2013 OP

alerting NightWatcher Sep 2013 #1

laugh DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #2

IBTL napkinz Sep 2013 #10

LOL! nt Vanje Sep 2013 #121

I foresee the clever troll creating 2 or 3 kamikaze socks to instigate members.. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #3

Oh yes DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #4

skinner said that creating other accounts will be considered a tos violation. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #7

Maybe DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #9

believe me he will enforce it. I really can not say much more on how but he knows. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #11

Ok DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #12

I hope it makes people behave more. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #13

It will. Rex Sep 2013 #45

"Concealed within his fortress, the lord of Mordor sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, rug Sep 2013 #15

Mordorrrrrrrrrrr! hrmjustin Sep 2013 #18

You just don't walk into it. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #49

I thought Skinner's neighborhood was more like hootinholler Sep 2013 #30

You know what happened to Charlie. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #50

I think it's a bit more like the bridge guardian over the gorge of eternal peril. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #71

What's your favorite colour? Blanks Sep 2013 #92

I hope so because it doesn't seem like socks or zombies get the hammer as much as they could. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #20

Well people do try to come back and if they behave a draw no attention to themselves they are hrmjustin Sep 2013 #21

Except banning usually happens for a reason, and if the welcome mat is out for zombies, it becomes Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #24

I think this is why the admins are taking the issue head on. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #26

Hope so. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #27

I agree. I am glad they are dealing with it. Hopefully it means less work in Mirt for us. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #29

It is not complicated. Cookies and IP Address is the main ways. There are easy.... Logical Sep 2013 #41

The Cookies attract the trolls. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #87

Oatmeal raisin for me. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #157

I won't say how but anyone who is fairly Net savvy will know how to make totodeinhere Sep 2013 #156

They are found. We do a good job in Mirt. The fact is if they are a disruptive they wil be found. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #158

OK, you can find them based upon their behavior. I don't doubt that. But there are ways totodeinhere Sep 2013 #173

Most sockpuppetry is trivial to deal with. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #131

I'd like to see that put on a giant sign on the welcome page. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #25

Burner Troll- noun, a kamikaze sock puppet. NightWatcher Sep 2013 #8

Good advice. dkf Sep 2013 #5

We NEED to clean house. Some of us are sick of people here supporting RW policies kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #33

RW policies like the ACA first proposed by Nixon? dkf Sep 2013 #35

Still waiting for you to express overt support for ANY liberal policies. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #38

Single payer, anti war, anti NSA, pro choice, card carrying member of the Democratic Party. dkf Sep 2013 #46

you noticed that? someone trying real hard to redefine themselves..... dionysus Sep 2013 #56

I always worry about anyone anxious to "clean house". Just doesnt sound very "politically liberal" rhett o rick Sep 2013 #63

Couldn't pipi_k Sep 2013 #86

I agree. HappyMe Sep 2013 #89

behavior is more the problem DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #70

Moral of the story is to behave. by the way as a GD host I feel the need to lock this. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #6

LOL Iggo Sep 2013 #101

i do not put much stock in it. i watched a hide not for the post, but the poster. the alerter seabeyond Sep 2013 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #75

and that will continue to happen. The only difference is that the juror won't mention it. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #155

Well said, and I agree! Thank you, my dear DonCoquixote. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2013 #16

to be fair DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #19

when I first began posting on DU more than ten years ago I was a real hot head.... mike_c Sep 2013 #17

That prompts an idea, cause I think lots of us are likely to be like you described yourself.... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #51

did I ever threaten to kick your hothead ass, mike_c? Skittles Sep 2013 #74

I think you were generally on my side, LOL.... mike_c Sep 2013 #100

yeah well OK that makes sense Skittles Sep 2013 #154

Oh yeah, I remember annabanana Sep 2013 #111

"Don't rise to the bait" is excellent advice for life in general. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #22

Discuss ideas, not people. I like that advice. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #61

Re : Rising to the bait Vanje Sep 2013 #126

Yes. The Weiner-bashers, for example (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #128

Best thing to do is not respond. And if you must, keep it short and polite Autumn Sep 2013 #23

Returning "guns" to the gungeon would help etherealtruth Sep 2013 #28

I don't see how you can do that when these mass murders are part of.... Walk away Sep 2013 #32

I am stridently anti-gun etherealtruth Sep 2013 #40

Afraid thats par for the course now a days. daleanime Sep 2013 #58

I agree. There are three (3) groups/fora opened to guns, when there was once only one. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #43

I think we've had this discussion before etherealtruth Sep 2013 #47

^^^ Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #48

Thanks DonCoquixote. 99Forever Sep 2013 #31

How do you create a jury blacklist? leftstreet Sep 2013 #34

Click on My account, then the tab for juryblacklist. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #36

Oh duh leftstreet Sep 2013 #37

Your welcome. It is very useful. I think I have 7 or 8 people on it. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #39

Excellent advice, DonCoquixote! Cha Sep 2013 #42

Yoda was ready, yessssss... Rex Sep 2013 #44

Very good post, thank the Duer for me and yourself for posting it well, there are other concerns Dragonfli Sep 2013 #52

I'd be amazed if the admins aren't aware of this possibility. winter is coming Sep 2013 #53

One would assume, but one does not know as the issue was not addressed tho many others were Dragonfli Sep 2013 #54

Here is the admin view on the topic of frivolous alerts. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #72

Perhaps it's the intent, to ensure that people who post often MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #76

The thought had occurred to me Dragonfli Sep 2013 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author tridim Sep 2013 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #57

I thought the jury system would be a good tool for policing ourselves..... Swede Atlanta Sep 2013 #59

I think the opposite is the problem. Most people do not vote to hide personal attacks. stevenleser Sep 2013 #81

K&R. Thanks, DonCoquixote. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #60

You do realize it's trivial to figure out what group this came from despite your edits? a2liberal Sep 2013 #62

I think everyone knows who the bullies are here in DU. The Righteous Bullies. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #64

Just fyi DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #67

sure a2liberal Sep 2013 #69

This is an important post. After Meta was shut down, the bullies have been rhett o rick Sep 2013 #65

Eh, I dunno... pipi_k Sep 2013 #88

Yep, I have learned to ignore some of the what I call, "junk posters" quinnox Sep 2013 #66

Thanks for the responses, and DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #68

If it's not broke, don't fix it. I really don't see why they changed it. Th1onein Sep 2013 #73

Innovators hate that expression. They certainly dont have that attitude at Apple. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #90

Anything that makes it more costly to people who are here NOT to make trouble, is NOT a Th1onein Sep 2013 #164

"goad people to reply in a manner that will get their post hidden." wyldwolf Sep 2013 #77

With respect, you dont know people very well. People can be goaded. Should they always rhett o rick Sep 2013 #104

I know people very well, hence my post wyldwolf Sep 2013 #139

I guess you've never seen a case where a bully continues to bully until the victim rhett o rick Sep 2013 #143

not without the 'bully' being suspended/banned/flagged whatever wyldwolf Sep 2013 #148

"breaking the rules" PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #106

I haven't been here very long but redstatebluegirl Sep 2013 #78

META! Iggo Sep 2013 #79

I think the Admins are aware of attempts to game the system. MineralMan Sep 2013 #80

Excellent advice. HappyMe Sep 2013 #82

I have to laugh at people blaming others for their own behavior Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #83

It's not really all that hard to not have posts hidden. nt redgreenandblue Sep 2013 #84

A member I recently put on ignore had something like 14 hidden posts in the last 90 days alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #85

agreed. unless someone is really trying this is a hard feat to accomplish. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #114

Five hides in 90 Days seems too small a number when especially when KoKo Sep 2013 #93

I had a post hidden for saying "I just can't argue with someone so dishonest. n/t" Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #94

I saw that. It's an example of why I think 5 hides is too low for 90 Days. KoKo Sep 2013 #96

If hides are going to be used to take away posting privileges then I would rhett o rick Sep 2013 #105

Calling someone "dishonest" is a direct personal attack. MineralMan Sep 2013 #122

In the case cited. "dishonest" WAS a euphemism... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #130

Calling someone "dishonest" is not using a euphemism. MineralMan Sep 2013 #132

fine Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #134

I think 5 are too many also. But I think it will work itself out. If too many people are getting rhett o rick Sep 2013 #109

Some thoughts about being on juries, after a recent one I was on muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #95

That was me. And checkout the comparisons made in other posts. Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #97

Yeah, well, I tried muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #98

Didn't know it was you, but I appreciated the fact that at least one fellow DUer.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #99

Thanks for pointing that out. It's happened before on DU where KoKo Sep 2013 #103

I don't understand locks Sep 2013 #179

or people can just stop being douchey. its hard to get 5 posts hidden in 90 days unless you La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #102

So you are saying that if you get 5 posts hidden in 90 days you deserve it? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #108

there are two people i can think about who ired others enough La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #110

what if 1 of 5 jury members is a rw troll or puppet from another site? n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #112

you need to have 4 out of 6 to get something hidden, right? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #113

You act like you are unaware of the liberal vs. conservative war raging here. People on both sides rhett o rick Sep 2013 #115

people vary in opinions here. unless users have gone out of their way to annoy a majority La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #116

there are infinitely more people of the further left here than otherwise wyldwolf Sep 2013 #141

that is mathematically impossible. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #142

I consider myself a Democrat of the ideological stripe of Bill Clinton. wyldwolf Sep 2013 #146

No PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #150

ok :) wyldwolf Sep 2013 #152

I agree, what's your point? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #144

It is unlikely you'll get jury full of people who don't think like you do wyldwolf Sep 2013 #147

Disagree with your framing Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #181

There is definitely a spectrum of views represented here in DU. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #182

Just. Stop. Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #183

I neither wrote nor rec'd the divisive OP I linked to. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #185

Maybe you are correct. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #117

i was using "you" as a universal "you" La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #118

I read it how it was written PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #119

you're dead wrong and 6 other randomly chosen du'ers read it exactly as i intended La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #120

Good jury decision. zappaman Sep 2013 #125

i honestly didn't think there was another way to read it. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #129

I give back what others put out. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #133

i trust most juries to not be full of people one hates, unless one has tried to achieve this status. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #137

enough has been said PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #138

Not unless you try really really hard... n/t zappaman Sep 2013 #135

Number of alerts means little Kaleva Sep 2013 #127

I hope you are right. It will shake out in any event. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #149

I just looked at a few member's profile pages Kaleva Sep 2013 #163

did you seabeyond Sep 2013 #169

Not till just now and I see you have no hidden posts! Kaleva Sep 2013 #170

i have reformed my ways, kaleva. i am a good girl, i am. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #172

Exactly! But some here would rather blame people for "goading" them. wyldwolf Sep 2013 #140

Good post Hekate Sep 2013 #107

Oh I'm totally fucked trumad Sep 2013 #123

lol. while i have been doing well... on the other hand. cute. i have faith in you trumad. seabeyond Sep 2013 #124

but, see, you own it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #151

another thing multiple hides from the same poster on the same thread azurnoir Sep 2013 #136

If they're three good hides, I don't see a problem with them all being from the same thread or winter is coming Sep 2013 #175

in cases like the one I described I do azurnoir Sep 2013 #178

Bottom line is that people should observe Skidmore Sep 2013 #145

IE: Conform trumad Sep 2013 #162

More like a good citizen. MineralMan Sep 2013 #165

No, being courteous is not being a "bot." Skidmore Sep 2013 #167

Boring. trumad Sep 2013 #174

DU is never boring. There's too much going on to be bored. MineralMan Sep 2013 #184

You mean like Free Republic? trumad Sep 2013 #187

No idea. I have not been there for seven years. MineralMan Sep 2013 #188

There's a person here with over 30,000 posts. BlueCheese Sep 2013 #153

I believe jury comments like this are being dealt with by the administrators. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #161

Thank You, DonCoquixote. bvar22 Sep 2013 #159

I agree, Bvar22 Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #160

Agree 100% MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #177

Very good point about the activating the Alerts transparency function suffragette Sep 2013 #180

not worried about it upi402 Sep 2013 #166

How hard is it to politely disagree? BKH70041 Sep 2013 #168

they do DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #176

again thanks DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #171

The 5-hides rule is extremely vulnerable to abuse. gulliver Sep 2013 #186

I agree DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #189

Last word uppityperson Sep 2013 #190